What is with the weird “theme” of people in the Alliance claiming they need to “take back” places that never belonged to them?
I see people wanting to “take back” Lordaeron from the forsaken but the forsaken are the people of Lordaeron cursed with undeath. How do you “take back” land that is/was in the possession of the people of that land?
I’ve seen the same claim with Silvermoon and Suramar now and they just don’t make sense. You are looking to conquer not liberate. Tell me how you’re supposedly the “good guys” again?
Lordaeron was historically the Alliance’s heartland until WoW, and the Alliance retains a very large population of living Lordaeronians who, unlike the Forsaken, aren’t prone to going on intercontinental genocidal rampages.
That isn’t even the same Alliance. The Alliance of Lordaeron is not the same alliance of peoples as the Grand Alliance of Stormwind, it was just inspired by it.
If the number of survivors of Silvermoon are any indication then there would be 10% or less of the Lordaeron humans still living. That is an optimistic number as with Silvermoon the Scourge just passed through. They stayed a while in Lordaeron and likely killed a larger portion of the population.
I wouldn’t call what the Forsaken do a “rampage”, what they do is far more calculated.
Sylvanas story is all over the place, it won’t be understandable until the dust has settled but by then no one will care because they will be running some other lore character through the dirt.
Because they are invasive makes it ok to kill them all? It was invade or die for them.
Before they beat Sylvanas with the villain stick starting in Cata, it was very clear that the “evil Forsaken” were the Royal Apothecary Society, who it was heavily implied were doing things with blight without Sylvanas’ knowledge or consent.
They were a group of undead humans on the “death to the living” crusade that we saw at The Wrathgate.
That’s part of what made Sylvanas’ shift to joining their ideology after stamping it out with extreme prejudice so damn jarring.
Horde players telling Alliance players that they don’t have any ties to Lordaeron despite the seal of Lordaeron being our PvP symbol that’s visible next to literally every Alliance NPC’s portrait
There’s no such thing as the Alliance of Stormwind. It’s always been the Alliance of Lordaeron in reference to the location where it was founded, it’s just rarely called that nowadays.
Metzen himself affirmed this in MoP when he explicitly referred to the Alliance as “The Alliance of Lordaeron.”
This is also why, in BfA, Anduin listed Arthas on the list of Alliance regrets.
It’s 100% the same Alliance. Anduin even straight up says so in the leadup to the Battle of Lordaeron, where he says “It’s time to reclaim what is rightfully ours.”
Alliance is not any better than any other faction…in fact if you believe the GD, they are just ‘pretty’ underdogs who are a dying faction due to racial traits.
That stuff aside, orcs/horde pretty much fel blighted their homelands, opened up a portal to another world, saw green pastures and started destroying it.
That and a bunch of them were worshiping a giant diamond that fell from outer space in Nagrand. Nope not exactly the smartest of the bunch but they got an A for effort. A+ actually because we are still talking about it.
—Following the destruction of the Kingdom of Stormwind by the Orcish Horde during the First War, its survivors fled to Lordaeron. Realizing the threat the orcs posed, Regent Lord Anduin Lothar, leader of Azeroth’s refugees, was able to convince the leaders of the other human kingdoms to unify against the orcs as the Alliance. The Wildhammer dwarves of Aerie Peak and high elves also soon joined the Alliance, as well as the gnomes of Gnomeregan and the Ironforge dwarves later in the war. The Alliance — under the leadership of Sir Anduin Lothar as its Supreme Allied Commander — ultimately defeated the Old Horde during the battle of Blackrock Spire. Although Anduin Lothar was slain by Warchief Orgrim Doomhammer, his death inspired Turalyon to push the Alliance to victory. Turalyon’s forces succeeded in destroying the Dark Portal, the mystical gateway that connected the orcs to their homeworld of Draenor. Cut off from its reinforcements and fractured by infighting, the Horde finally buckled in upon itself and fell before the might of the Alliance, thus ending the Second War.—
They have no rightful connection/claim. Just because some NPC lays bare their opinion does not mean they are correct. Lordaeron was inhabited by the citizens of Lordaeron until the assault on Undercity. Would be kinda weird for a Gilnean king to want to hang his banners over another human kingdom but the way they view it is that these are fallen lands waiting to be claimed by another kingdom. Thus they deny the people’s connection to their home.
Lordaeron was the founding point of the Alliance, and was part of the Alliance up until Arthas returned and killed the king and then everyone else in it. All seven human nations joined up to form the Alliance, but some of them left either between Warcraft 2 and 3 because of stuff Terenas wanted to start imposing, such as taxes to fund the war to Outland, as well as rebuilding Stormwind. At some point before/after those events other nations started joining, Wildhammers, Ironforge dwarves, High Elves, and Gnomeregan, I think in that exact order, dwarves may be reversed.
