Ret isnt the only OP class that emerged in 10.0.7. Theyre just the most OP. Did 20 games at 2400 mmr last night. 19 had a Ret. 15 weree Rshaman. Over half of those ret teams had a demo. The others had a war or hunter.
Demo/ hunter do have some nerfs coming up but Rsham is absolutely busted right now and its getting overshadowed by Ret for the moment. Rsham no longer has to be offensive to win games. They can literally only use riptide, earth shield, healing stream, healing tide, stoneskin and outsustain every healing in the game without having to do anything offensive. The gap in their mana efficiency compared to other healers is very large. If they dont purge they can end games with a 40% mana lead when other healer is oom and if they purge the lead is much larger.
Rshaman is easily the best 3v3 healer by a huge margin and needs to be looked at. If you look at the activity numbers they look like rets with most of them having large cr gains.
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People will start killing healing streams again and then they won’t seem so busted.
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The Healing Stream and Earth Shield healing buffs definitely look too much. I think those two should be looked at first after another round of Ret nerfs.
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the only thing i dont really like is the ascendance procs.
My man, with triple ret lobbies everything is overshadowed by Ret.
I want to go back to a time where OP meant, they were strong but you could still play around them. Not… you have to play/play with that class to have fun.
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rsham is absolutely disgusting right now
Prideful Gladiator Healing Stream Totem will soon be Crimson Gladiator Healing Stream Totem
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Only thing that needs to be nerfed is Ret Pallys and fistweaving. Rets need more nerfs and fistweaving is broken. They need to stop the constant changes every single week and just people play the freaking game without changing the meta every single tuesday .
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The BM nerf is just -10% kill command damage. 10.0.7 also had hunter changes in lieu of legendary bow changes. Most didn’t impact pvp, but they left the + damage to kill command alone. After the tuning tuesday, Kill command will hit exactly as hard as it did in 10.0.5. It’s a negligible nerf that you won’t notice.
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LOL preach.
Its like we can’t get a break from this garbage job Blizzard does.
Every week something new, something changed, something terrible. The players can’t even absorb a change and they’re into the next.
Sure thing if you make something as OP as ret you gotta fix that right they way, and they kinda address half that problem.
But you buff a class then nerf, make a whole rework that comes out to be terrible.
They’re bad at their jobs.
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I honestly thought we were getting closer and closer to balanced prior to 10.0.7.
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Prob the one thing I currently despise about rsham healing. Ascend proc needs to go away. Toxic talent node which should have been replaced by another talent that actually expresses skill behind rotational healing or supplementation healing. I get the idea of wanting to make rsham feel more potent outside of major CDs, but RNG behind healing/dmg CDs is the least effective method of generating a healthy PvP setting.
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If they didnt do the balance tunings then things would be way worse. It would be better if big reworks were left for new x.0 x.1 x.2 x.3 patches where a new season comes out. But the constant tuning is 100% welcomed and great to have though.
Though shaman activity is signifcantly better than MWer after changes. So if you think MW needs nerfs shaman are doing much better than them in activity and CR improvements
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Obligatory reminder that fistweaver does as much healing, plus millions of damage. Lol
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Back in my day people had meltdowns because blizzard didn’t do weekly tuning. Perfect example of why they stopped listening to player feedback. Mad if they make changes, mad if they don’t. It’s all so tiresome.
Ret/war still rushing rshaman down though.
I feel like healers aren’t that much stronger than each other and all can work. Obviously there are some clear winners over others, with that being said, ret is a must in 3s right now. Needs to be looked at.
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Yeah fistweaving should of been included but i just havent fought any yet. Mw has veen healing style in rss and didnt grt to fight any in 3v3
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Main difference I feel is I can stop spam healing now to do a bit of setup. Does that make it broken? Probably, considering how Blizzard designed healing to feel so far this expansion.
Theyre all playing with a ret that removes their stun so i dont see them being rushed down. Maybe ret is brudging that weakness for them now? They just need their mana looked at.