Do you think blizzard will change anything with rogues since they did so many changes in 11.1. I mean we can all agree 11.1 changes were perfect for rogues
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Perfect for rouges ??? Youâre a healer that can do as MUCH DAMAGE AS A DPS AND IM GUESSING YOUR BUFFS WERE NEEDED HUH??? Iâm guessing you needed to also play as a DPS even though you have an option to main as one huh ? You like crossing a threshold that you shouldnât be able to huh ? Is the game too hard for you yet buddy ? Is it too difficult to play your healer/DPS now buddy ? Are you tired of the stuns because we canât do significant dmg enough to one shot like a warrior ? You make me sick .I main outlaw Rouge & they have basically taken away the things that make you an OUTLAW . Theyâve taken away the pov of the spec because so many people were complaining about us . Well Iâve been complaining all season about feral druids , paladins ability to immune dmg , do huge damage and also HEAL their team as if they play all 3 specs of pallidans . Warriors with their constant use of one to 3 buttons that does so much damage that it doesnât make sense etc. All they did was buff the strongest known classes of season 1 & nerfed Outlaw rouges so weâre easily triumph over . They took away improved shadow cloaks so known op classes like Feral druid (which received more op buffs) can one shot us and thereâs is nothing we can do about it . Ohhhhhh thatâs right , âgive them a feint pvp ability thatâs based purely on LUCK like roll the bones and just MAYBE ,they might use the move before a stun & Even THEN , ferals are buffed souch tht you die within the stun . They are wiping everyoneâs noses for them and changing diapers . Outlaw Rouge is one of the hardest classes to play , that doesnât do much dmg. Outlaw requires for you to actually have SKILL over DAMAGE to win a fight in the pvp world. You have to KNOW WHAT YOUR DOING . Warriors , pallidans , Druids , hunters , demon hunters , death knights⌠Those classes are for 4 year old new gens that canât sit thru a 30 minute video without falling asleep . It takes a brain dead , low attention span , CHILD to play these other âblizzard does it for youâ classes . 3-5 buttons and you WIN . Omega cleaving abilities. HUGE healing abilities etc . How much game assist do you losers needs 
. You go against a paladin and they have immunes . Yourâre about to kill one and they heal to max . You do your burst on them , but they wear PLATE ARMOR AS A DPS . They do massive damage because they can use a TWO HANDED WEAPON. They can ALSO SUPPORT their teammates in pvp . Iâm sorry but , how much freaking accommodating do you need to play the game ??? Leave significant healing to the HEALERS . Leave significant damage absorption to the TANKS . Leave significant DAMAGE doing to the DPS . Stop giving these complaining cry babies what they want just to listen to them STILL FREAKING CRY ABOUT SOMETHING ELSE RIGHT AFTER BEING OMEGA BUFFED . Itâs not just pallidans that can use all 3 specs in one (Tanking,healing & DPS) . Now we have HEALERS OUT DAMAGING OR DANG NEAR MATCHING AN OUTLAW ROUGES DAMAGE IN ARENA . Tanks are one shorting people in arenaâ:neutral_face:. Healers are one shorting people in arena . Outlaw rouges are being killed and chased down like we were nothing to begin with . You stripped away our survivability. You stripped away something to help others kill us easier when we were alrdy easy to kill in the first place You âbuffedâ trickster , but thereâs not one Outlaw Rouge that sees the buff because dmg is still compared to fate boundâ:neutral_face:. You took away one of our ONLY WAYS to support our teammate (Take your cut) , but left others to supports their teammates very efficiently. You stripped away our 15% mastery increase pvp talent , so that we canât proc sinister strike unless we sacrifice verse,haste or crit to run more mastery . You people have done nothing good for outlaw simply because itâs too hard to play . Simply because people would rather hit 3 buttons than LEARN how to actually play the game to win . You so called Devs donât even play Outlaw because of the difficulty it takes to set up with ccs and score a skill if you all had the option to completely erase ALL ROUGES YOU WOULD . You all know what you did & you all think that itâs funny stabbing us in the gut the way you all just did with this patch . You didnât do it for other players . You âDevsâ did it for yourselves . You all play the game just like we do , so when you come up against an experienced outlaw in arena , you get that tail tapped , so you all voted to need us at the rectangle table together without a good reason other than getting your tails handed to you because you all ALSO lack the strategy and skill to win more than lose against us . This nerf Literally doesnât make sense . You buff every one ten fold , just to nerf us around all of these op classes as if ''this is what everyone were dealing with from YOU rouges during season 1â , when in actuality , we had to cramp out freaking fingers to win against a WARRIOR or AFFLICTION LOK just to score a win against a 3 buttons loser . You devs make me sick and I canât wait to see you people fired and replaced for this PERSONAL NERF OF OUR ALREADY HARD TO PLAY SPEC 
NONE OF YOU DESERVES TO SIT IN IN YOUR HIGH CHAIRS OR MAKE DECISIONS LIKE THESE . YOU ALL ARE RUINING THE GAME . not just because of rouges , nooooooo , it goes far beyond just rouges . You all are making the game too EASY . This isnât shadow lands bro . This is suppose to be a game of SKILL and LONGEVITY. Now and days , itâs like Fortnite. You all are making the game too QUICK like a Tiktok short . Itâs becoming 30sec- 1 min matches where itâs not about â whoâs betterâ itâs about who can do more damage faster and stun the healer at the perfect time after theyâve used trinket . Where is the fun ? Iâve decided to main cats classic in result to 11.1 . I may still play retail from time to time , but itâs only to anger myself become more solidified in my decision that you all are finally killing the game off . This was a very good way to finally kill your income in the long run . You guys better go pick up some more college courses or fill out some applications to become Fortnite devs because pretty soon , you all will be out of a job . The very ones that you buffed to the point of no sense , will be the very ones who tire of the game and stop playing . World of Warcraft is about to end itâs career just like DC Universe Online . This is the beginning of the end (which is why theyâre bringing back mop, but Thts another discussion & Iâm tired of typing) .
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As a rogue you just let that joke sneak right passed you
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Bro . As a rouge I do not find any of this funny at all . This is the only spec I play and really have respect for . I respect restro druids as well because it is even harder than rouge , but other than that I do not respect others -especially Now . I get the sarcasm, but instead of using sarcasm BE SERIOUS . What they did to us was personal asf and no rouge is happy whatâs so ever about the insult to our classes .
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Priest arenât all that easy to play either , itâs just that yâall can play as healer and DPS in one and I donât like the classes that are given so many accommodations.
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Itâs okay to use paragraphs.
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I think we could use a few more potent PVP talents removed tbh
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Feels like we are going to get the âFoxâ station treatment. Due to few players having the desire to play âRogueâ and that most of the utilities the said class can be found on other classes. We have with utmost regret decided that the resources could be spent in other places, and from this point forward going to discontinue the said class. If you have said class please take this time to transfer all goods and currency to another class besides said class, as they will be removed from your account and you will not have access to said class in the future.
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my brother in christ Iâm not reading all that
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You donât have to read any of it . Yourâre one of the ones Iâm talking about . Low attention span braindead ash . Probably an eviscerate user . Cheap shot & eviscerate is all you know. Learn a couple more buttons . Yourâre probably low-key a palidan who switch his profile picture to his purchased lvl 80 rouge and gave up on rouge because of the difficulty of the set ups . Yourâre not fooling anyone .
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Dang and I thought I was mad about Rogue changes and nerfs
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Good bye fellow rogues. May the force be with you guys. Iâm giving up on this class.
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Is this post real? 
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Iâll start by saying with the buffs to other classes and the not many changes to ours, Iâm not certain where weâll be this season. However, if weâre still in the placement of last season (where weâre mid or higher with all of our specs at nearly every form of content), then I will say what I was saying in 11.0 - 11.7 âWe donât need buffs, we need quality of life changes and fixesâ.
Assassination Raids: In raids sin plays very nicely, itâs fairly simple as itâs rotation based and not reactive proc based. This means that itâs fairly easy to react to mechanics around the player on boss fights, however it suffers greatly with target swapping. Either we need an ability that lets us âabsorbâ current bleeds / poisons and reapply them on the immediate kill target(s) for low to no energy costs, or we need something like Crimson Tempest to apply all our bleeds at once (non silencing garrote + a rupture bleed appropriate at the combo point spent level).
Assassination in M+: Sin play style is very frustrating when our kit heavily revolves around requiring stealth. Having a tank that refuses to slow and and just keeps pulling means we lose out on extra damage, extra resource regen, guaranteed mark placement, and then on top of it the extra silencing and such our kit can bring. With stealth it takes around 5 or 6 gcdâs before we can start properly damaging things. Without stealth itâs around 12-13. The fix I propose here is one of two things. 1) Again, have crimson tempest apply our bleeds to all targets (non silencing garrote + a rupture at the appropriate level for combo points spent) or after 5 kills of exp / honor giving targets refund a charge of vanish. This would ensure that rogues donât lose any uptime in dungeons and makes them still very playable keeping our kit in our own hands.
Outlaw: Iâm not a fan of heavy proc based classes as I have a weaker attention span and I can and will funnel all of my concentration into either dodging mechanics or making sure my reaction is perfect with the varying procs. This means often that Iâll end up dying to swirlies or cones from the mechanics making sure my proc rotation stays as perfect as possible. Now perhaps outlaw does get a bit easier to react to the more you play it, however my attention is hard glued to the WA bar 90% of the time. I donât really know or have any good idea how to fix mistakes here as I havenât gotten good enough due to my own personal restrictions.
Sub: I havenât tried Sub in pve, but may give it a shot this season though and give varying feedback at some point.
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That has been my position as well.
Quality of life changes and bug fixes should be top priority. Rogues do not need drastic changes but a few key changes for Sub and Outlaw would go a long way.
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I use envenom, thank you very much
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So a lot of things need to be cleaned up in the talent trees for Outlaw and Sub. I think that and the bug fixes. Plus, Assassination should not be punished for using Deathmark. Vanish going back to 3 sec immunity would be a fine change.
if outlawâs damage was not so dependent on stealth/vanish it would be very nice
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It would be. But for that theyd have to replace Thistle Tea with an actual capstone
Why do you think people call him âNightmaireâ?
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