Rogues need to be Pruned

Classes Rogue
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With the reveal that all the “hero specs” for Rogue involve giving more upkeep buttons to press solely to do maintain normal dps, it clearly needs to be said: Rogues do not need a 40 button rotation. Prune all these “Increase damage by x%” talents and dps window buttons and just buff our base damage or bake the effects in. For example:

Slice and Dice/Cut to the Chase should be passive.
Most Poisons should be passive
Symobls of Death, Rogue energy regen was fine before, unnerf it.
Shiv isn't fun.
Nightstalker, stop making vanish a DPS cooldown.
Marked for Death, stop giving me dps cooldowns I have enough.
Thistle Tea, I should never have energy regen so bad I NEED this to be competitive.
Echoing Reprimand, Less DPS cooldowns, increase base damage.
Deathmark, Make passive or bake into Eviscerate.
Exsanguinate, Read Above.
Sepsis, Stop giving me Shadowlands baggage. Increase base DPS.
Serated Bone Spikes, See above.
KINGSBANE. Worst idea ever. Assassination relies on this to work, and adds nothing fun.
Blade Fury, Give Outlaws passive AoE potential, screw it.
ROLL THE GOD DAMN BONES. NO MORE RNG.
Ghostly Strike, Nobody wants these "Fit this into your burst window" gameplay designed abilities.
Blade Rush, as with blade fury, let Outlaw passively do Aoe.
Dreadblades, Stop designing around the above Shadowlands crap.
Killing Spree, Is just a button that does high damage with a long cooldown. Boring. Put the animation on something fun.
Shadow Blades. Make passive, lower damage increase. Let Sub Rogues be Shadow Blades ALL the time.
Secret Technique, Literally ONLY used because it's a DPS increase.
Shuriken Tornado. ... Never used anyway.
Flagellation. ENOUGH.
Invigorating Shadowdust. Vanish is not a DPS cooldown. It is a utility. STop forcing me to use it in my DPS window- actually, stop giving me DPS windows!!! I want consistent damage!
Dance Macabre, stop forcing me into a specific annoying rotation that screws my damage if I don't do it perfectly. Let me adapt.
Goremaw’s Bite, Stop giving Rogues new abilities in expansions you have to shoehorn back in later.

Almost all of these buttons could be made into passives or baked into other abilities. Slice and Dice already has a talent to bake it into other finishers. Just get trim the button bloat for damage.

Then with all this free design space- let’s get some fresh and interesting ideas that actually ALTER how you play the rogue in interesting and fun ways? Instead of forcing everyone into the same cookie cutter rotation because of bad design.

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you really dont play rogue do you, cause it you did you realize that tww snd becomes passive. among other things like rtb “rng” (it has less rng than sub rogue has)

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Im learning feral, must less complicated for pretty much the same results.

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Says the paladin alt (Infamous for trolling the rogue forums) talking to a AOTC Rogue…

Literally addressed this in my post. And NO. IT doesn’t become passive. The talent that allows you to refresh snd on using eviscerate becomes all spec.

Except that’s not what I want. I want it to literally be passive. I don’t want the refresh to be passive. Slice and Dice should be the baseline speed rogues attack.

Learn to read.

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Atoc

thats not really a accomplishment friend

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So what? “You don’t play rogue unless you do mythic world first of the latest tier”?

What a laughable joke. You can be doing content 50% of the player doesn’t even see (This is why it’s called “ahead of the curve” btw) and you “haven’t played your class” because some troll on the forums is trying gish galloping you by ignoring the rest of your post except ONE part they think they can argue with?

Take your Pedantry elsewhere.

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just becuase you have atoc, doesnt usually mean you have a grasp on your own spec.

warcraftlogs com/character/us/moon-guard/louvé#partition=4 according to your logs, you dont really have a grasp on your own spec either. which explains alot. infact aberrus is the only atoc youve gotten this expansion.
the only one whose laughable is you, with your constant calls to harass a dev while acting like your better than everyone else despite your own performance is lower than average. acting like you know the spec, when in reality you dont. you dont even know sin sub or outlaw in a basic way

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I love this notion you always see on the forums of others calling into account others warcraft logs even when they are making some valid points. You don’t have to play a spec to the nth level of good to feel and understand that there are issues.

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except theyre not making any valid points, and each post on the thread is 100% wrong or purposefully misleading to push a agenda. also when a person start pointing at their “achievements” first, then its free reign to point out the details of said achievements. if they kept their own ego in check and not point at their “Atoc” while implying i didnt have similar achievements of note then this entire exchange wouldnt have happened

its a “dont bark if you dont want to get bit” kind of deal

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Is for losers and whiners.

Oh noooo. I don’t have BiS, Power Infusion from the priest, and 19 raid members all deliberately sabotaging their own DPS so that I can get into the 1% of best rogues in the gameeee.

I’m not a chinese playerrrr. Oh noooooo…

What a joke. You do realize I don’t have that plugin installed, so any “evidence” that would provide is from loser sabotaging pulls with that garbage spyware installed right?

Yeah, I didn’t really feel like coming back for tree garbage.

you’re still posting on the wrong class btw.

I said fire a bad developer. You got weirdly defensive. IS this the Rogue Dev’s account talking?

I am better than you lmao. Given I actually play Rogue, and don’t main a different class and make arm chair complaints.

Get on YOUR rogue, lets see YOUR logs.

wow a low Ilvl rogue is preforming worse than the chinese rogue players in full BiS sabotaging the rest of their raid for a 3 second DPS burst to show off their big numbers?

Even then- you’re comparing me to people who WILLINGLY install that garbage and thus are actively trying to game the system into thinking they’re better than they are.

WoWlogs is not omnipotent and anyone who installs it I typically don’t raid with for this reason. You’re all entitled losers.

I do? I’ve played it? I just don’t have BiS.

evidence?

So I know for a fact you don’t have logs of me playing Sin or Outlaw so where’s this coming from? Please do tell me. Because this is my Sub alt.

“Bro you didn’t no life the entire expansion and get mythic boss kills? You suck”

Lmao

A notoriously biased site given those who’ve installed it know they’re being monitored and thus don’t have it enabled when they’re practicing/pugging/learning the fight and only use it when they’re ready to pump big numbers while deliberately ensuring the rest of the raid is buffing them specifically- while anyone who doesn’t have it installed and gets into a bad pug with some idiot who has it enabled is going to get their “worst performances” (didn’t get healed when someone AoE’s the raid) and thus “low rated”?

Wowlogs is for losers. Anyone who uses it as evidence might as well be telling everyone chinese players are better- because the highest rated wowlogs players are literally chinese players who choose 1 guy in their raid to get a 0.1% percentile on it and have everyone else focus on that one guy getting the highest possible dps.

That isn’t evidence of anything.

Anyway I actually haven’t heard anything about why these suggestions are bad- just “I DON’T LIKE YOU AS A PLAYER”

So Blizzard should be making these changes any day.

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saying this basically ends the conversation. there is no other thing to discussion. keep being mad and bad

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So what buttons are left? Sinister Strike and Eviscerate? I recommend playing Classic.

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Good.

Go be a loser elsewhere. Tell the 0.1% of rogues from china you like so much I said hi. I’d probably do better DPS than them given their gear and 19 priests giving them Power Infusion.

Figures a druid wouldn’t know what buttons a rogue has.

I can assure you, even if we pruned ALL of the above.

Rogue would still have a more complex rotation and button count than you.

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i really struck a nerve didnt i? to the point your taking out your aggression on everyone else

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Wow being an annoying troll annoys people.

Refer to the original post. Which suggestions do you take issue with.

Otherwise shut up. I don’t need to be a world renowned chef to tell you the literal feces on my plate is bad. I don’t need to be 0.1% of rogues to know when the class isn’t fun

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tbh i like kingsbane, i like goremaw’s bite as well. the are pretty fun buttons.

danse macabre should not have been a thing.

sub is gutted because of dark shadows. it forces you to fit high dmg abilities inside dance, overloading it.

they could just make secret technique replace black powder during dance, and it would fix alot of issues sub has. it only needs to do a bit more damage than evis and AOE and shadow dance remains strong.

also a talent to replace eviscerate with death from above would be great.

crimson vial can also be removed and replaced by a talent that makes feint heal by that amount.

also pls cloak and dagger in the deathstalker tree :frowning:

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I’ll take anything that reduces the bloat and overloading.

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Never mention pruning with BlizZard because they will over nerf Rogues to do it.

:surfing_man: :surfing_woman:

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frustrates me that you’re right.

But I’ll take being under-preforming over MASSIVELY underpreforming unless you do this very unfun rotation which requires many convoluted steps for the sake of “nostalgic rituals” and because “Rogue’s identity is being a complex class”

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Skill issue the post
Not every single spec in this game needs to be dumbed down to the point of BM hunter.

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