Heres my 2 cents after maining rogue the last season and this season. Rogues are not in a good spot. The overall nerf to cc that happened in 10.1 was a direct nerf to rogues. Rogues do not do enough damage or have the ability to kill other classes as much as they should. Realistically, rogues should be the best 1v1 class in the game. Having more cc DR is making it harder for rogues to kill other classes and take for example your 3 button pvp specs like DH, Fury warrior, your 5 button specs like destro lock, shadow priest, ret paladin and boomkin all have more utility and survivability and crush on damage. If any time existed to make rogues the glass cannon spec that they ahould be it is now. Imo all rogue damage should be increased and all cd for cc abilities and vanish shluld be drastically reduced.
It always makes me laugh when people complain about being able to be stunned for 20+ seconds but they seem to be content with other classes being able to kill you in just one stun like that’s completely normal…
And rogue DPS fairly weak PvE but they won’t even fix some of our talents out of fear making us unbalanced…
Wth is the balance team smoking?
People are so bad at trying to counter a rogue then just complain that rogues are op cause forever stuns
But then I can get stunned by a ret, he pops wings, pulls my pants down and just SPANKS me.
Or locks can have 50 million pets and just SLAP your face into the dirt. But let’s buff them more and nerf rogues into the ground
To be fair. Are you atleast 1800rating? Do you watch your cd before you fight? Do you know mostly every class defensive and offensive? Our damage atm very high as Sub. We might get nerf soon let alone buff. The only reasonable thing we might get is blind 1 min cd which is very powerful too.
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Rogues do just fine, just learn to play it better or right!!!
You’re an evoker. You don’t get to tell us how to play our class.
Secret technique needs nerfs, not the rest of Subtlety. No reason to be tuned around gimmicks.
I miss Combat Rogue Class…it was so much fun…
Now I’m a filthy pirate living in the past…
As long as it is combat before revealing strike was introduced. I LOATHED playing around bandits guile too.
Can we just get an UNWORK of outlaw and just go back to combat from like wrath? I’d love that so much.
https://www.reddit.com/r/worldofpvp/comments/13qm038/season_2_meta_analysis_or_an_attempt_at_it/
Good read.
Makes me want to cry. But it does confirm what I’ve been experiencing for a long time.
Low damage + Low survivability = Humpty Dumpty with pool noodles.
Legit worst class in the game right now for pvp. and on top of that its the least played class for pvp right now as well.
BUFFF ROGUES…
For sure. We need a unwork. Bring back combat rogue
Def want to step away from gimmicks. Wod was the start of gimmicks with dfa and it snow balled into every expansion forward.
Wtb meaningful damage instead of secret technique reliance, tier set reliance.
Rogue news soon hopefully addresses a shift in damage profile instead of ramping in dance.
Heck, ROP went away for mages and things were made baseline. Really hope to see dance just be old dance again.
New talents to just make eviscerate / find weakness/ backstab mean something.
For Assa, I’d love to see a small damage buff across the board, and the removal of Deathmark and the return of an undispellable Vendetta + Duskwalkers talent so that we can have actual go’s instead of whatever Deathmark is supposed to be.
Gimmicks include things like dance and other offensive / defensive CD’s, this is the biggest problem with Retail play… Everything depends on the trading card game that is the cooldowns and outside of those go windows you got nothing…
Its literally the worst part about retail.
But everyone now days seems to be so Stockholm syndromed into thinking they NEED these things, they never stopped to think about what it did to the game or their class.
Yeah, just backstab to be a filthy backstab again. Not charging it with ambush or after dance for x time. Why are we based around cd stacking and everything in dance or because of dance x happens once again?
Dance by itself is fine but no modifiers in it again. Cataclysm Subtlety was great.
Even dance is kinda bad because now they gotta balance around ambush being used as a big damage CD. As a result Backstab gets nerfed to the ground. Its gross.
I love dance, don’t get me wrong, but balance is important also,.
I would rather now have dance and have a good backstab and Ambush that is actually ambush rather than Backstab disguised as ambush… (wrath and forward tuning)
I dig it, i just want to use abilities and they do good stuff. Return of actual backstab with no extra steps. People don’t like it? They can talent elsewhere easy.
There just needs to be 1 dance with no goofy modifiers,with hard hitting abilities again not because of cd stacking.
Can’t kill x because don’t have dance, symbols, badge , 4+ danse macabre stacks, SL gimmick or nonsense secret kek. It’s true for pve and pvp. Ever since legion the good idea fairy keeps messing stuff up.
WoD should have been it and that’s it.