Rogues are getting worse

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A class is only good if you 1vN rank one players? What if you 1v1 or 1v2 gladiators or duelists? Can it be considered good then?

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You’re terrible and lost sight of your argument. Give rogues defensive stance then and delete Crimson vial from the game. Give warriors healing surge. Who cares. You don’t make any sense anymore.

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Did you know that there actually used to be SPELLS that people used to do that? Some of them still exist but nobody uses them.

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Hybrid tax? What year is this?

The lich king is dead now pal, there is no hybrid tax.

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You are the one that said that warriors weren’t a good solo class in previous expansions. The movies are a direct counter to your false statement. But, I’m getting “off track.” :wink:

Would you like me to make a collection of the duelists and glads I killed 1vN while playing warrior? It wouldn’t matter though, would it? You would just say they were bad and that I’m terrible because that is how people make arguments on the WoW forums. :stuck_out_tongue:

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sure, a hunter with eagle eye used to be great for AB.

but you can think of the change from vanilla to now just like the warfare it micro chasms. you used to be able to hide a whole cavalry unit in the woods off to the side of the battlefield, with todays recon that is impossible and you need to fight under the premise that your location is known. same in pvp. between addons like BGT, HHTD, and the fact that you can no longer hide in the short view distance of old pcs, you are pretty much tracked the whole map. one of the side effects of this is that it makes stealth that much more valuable.

OT, but this is also why i like arathi blizzard, it introduces a true fog of war.

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You’re both getting off track. This thread is about rogues.

If you’re talking about an add on in this thread then congrats, you’re off-topic too.

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we have a new lich king, now pay your taxes. :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

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I’m not making sense? Don’t rogues already have a defensive similar to die by the sword?

I took issue with the guy saying that crimson vial is the worst melee heal. I think that it’s better than what arms warrior has. You disagree (lol).

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Did you just confuse defensive stance with die by the sword ? Outlaw gets riposte. You’re so good but don’t know other class CDs ?

No posting a video wrecking people on a warrior doesn’t support your “bad” self heal claims. Only further legitimizes why warriors don’t need an on demand crimson vial. What with all the other major defensives and abilities that turn them into a wrecking ball of pain.

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Sin should be toned down. Not sure about outlaw or sub as I almost never see them. No spec should have great damage/control/mobility all in one package. Something’s gotta give.

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I read DBTS for whatever reason. Defensive stance isn’t really that good unless backed by a healer.

Arms warrior could definitely use some type of self sustain (something that consumes rage, like ignore pain for example. A small absorb at the expense of consuming rage). Rogues don’t need more than what they have. Arms warrior are trivial to kill. Rogues aren’t. I don’t think rogues need to be nerfed. I just think that arms warrior self-sustain should be buffed.

I think all DPS classes should be somewhat balanced (within reason) for both 1v1 and group play.

Generally speaking, soft defensives (mitigation) seem pretty weak now.

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…provided you’re a bad player and don’t have the sense to take a restealth to heal up. Yikes.

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I agree. Nerf mages.

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A naked rogue wielding a fish could kill me during a stun-lock in vanilla. Rogue has obviously gotten worse…

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Fire is cancer right now. But this thread is about rogues.

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The thing is, rogue CD’s all serve multiple purposes. You can’t really have all of that stuff at once. If you use vanish or cloak for mobility, you won’t have them to use defensively. If you use blind defensively, you won’t have it to set up a kill.

I’m not saying rogues aren’t very strong (they obviously are), but it’s misleading to say that rogues can be amazing at everything all the time like some people ITT seem to believe.

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Huh? You can see the nameplate regardless of whether they are in LOS or even inside a building or behind a wall.

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The problem I see with rogues is not just their self healing. Their stuns are a common thing in the game. My problem is their constant ability to snare and catch you no matter what you do. Blink twice? rogue still on you. Disengage, rogue still on you. Try to run away, rogue snares you to death. Snares, stuns, self heals, immunity to melee and spells for short periods. All too much for a dps class that can just vanish at anytime they may be at a disadvantage. The class is simply too OP at the moment.

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To be fair, MM is one of the worst, most trainable specs in the game right now. Surv and BM would both give you a much better chance against rogues.

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