oh wait 1.12 might still be class specific removals. so they won’t remove all debuffs for all classes. If so the rogue trinket was only charm / fear / poly, which meant rogue v rogue you were just screwed all around. (can’t even remove stuns)
but yeah that just reinforced my original point that is in rogue v rogue in vanilla, whoever gets the opener is basically garanteed a free win unless you screw it up.