I didn’t roll a Rogue during the original release, I went Mage and Hunter. It wasn’t till BC, I finally made a rogue and there are some huge differences!
1 right off the bat is the Sap… I feel like you HAVE to spec into improved sap, but everything else kinda feels new.
If my end goal is just to pvp, what’s the go to spec? Daggers? swords?
You have 2 main options. Hemo (21/3/27) or Daggers (16/12/23). Really comes down to how you want to play and the weapons you have. If you have a strong sword/mace go Hemo, if you got good Daggers go the dagger spec. If you google “WoW Classic Rogue PvP Spec” pick one of the first hits.
Not Subtlety.
Depends on team play or not.
If you’re doing lots of team play its not really req, but for 1vX its really nice
As for what is the best spec? Depends on what you’re doing… are you doing 1v1’s and ganking like that then Hemo CB is BiS, but if you’re doing BG’s and other team play activities then that changes what is practical.
IMO Daggers are really good in WSG, and even very strong in AB / AV, you could even play PVP combat builds in AB / AV effectively, just again depends on if you’re team playing or not.
I see myself doing more BG’s than anything and have been leaning toward Daggers
Highly recommend you check out perplexity’s discord for more nuanced options (because there are a TON, of spec options all dependent on what you’re doing and with whom) but the short answer is
Hemo with the slowest 1h you can find (hemo not normalized, slower=more damage), easy to get into, still high skill cap but the floor is pretty low. You’ll do fine soloing or grouping with the standard 21/3/27 (cold blood, imp gouge, prep/hemo).
Daggers are really good, arguably better than hemo, but it’s also really hard to play well due to the energy management required. Ambush and Cheap shot are both 40 energy in most dagger setups, backstab is 60… you can line up a lot of burst, especially with tea, but, you get the idea.
Also, if more people bug him about it maybe he’ll finally get around to making those match-up guides he was talking about releasing over a year ago.
So i noticed he doesn’t have Expose Armor or Slice n Dice on his action bars… Is that ever used during PvP?
Perp macro’s and keybinds a lot of stuff. He also likes to hide things on action bars that aren’t visible.
Expose is really good in very specific openers. commonly used off of a fresh sap, you can do cheap shots at a very specific angle and get the combo points without breaking your sap. get a full expose up and then do a clean open.
slice is less common, though occasionally used just to burn combo points.
I’d definitely reach out in the discord for a more nuanced answer on both of these. I’m decent at rogue but haven’t played one in years.
He’s terrible.
His Yamato coaching was god awful.
I mean, he’s quite literally the best vanilla rogue and it’s not close so I’m not sure what you mean by terrible.
Can attest, as a very casual rogue player I found myself having a ton more success with slow MH hemo than dagger pvp.
Through if I do ever get back into my rogue I will probably take the time to get good at dagger pvp this time around.
Dagger almost requires tea and having the renataki trinket for on demand energy. It opens so many doors for openers and kill windows that you just can’t do without the extra energy.
Hemo very solid all around performer though. Literally cannot go wrong just going hemo.
Yeah.
Like imagine we are in flag room and druid pickup flag, I’ve cc’d them and it has just ran out, nobody came to help because its a pug and team is busy dancing mid.
With daggers (which I only tried for maybe like 1hour in pvp in my life) I would backstab druid, be out of energy, they would go bear, and just walk away.
With hemo I could usually kill, almost kill, or put good pressure on them after cc.
100% skill issue
The real skill check is the weapon swap build which snags the ambush talent so you can do dagger opens into hemo spam lol
I’m way too smooth brain for that stuff. I’m at the point where I just want to activate mage mode and cc the entire enemy team, doing the damage isn’t even that interesting anymore.
One of the arts of pvp is being able to shift between smooth cc and aggressive kill at the perfect moments
Absolutely. That’s why I flip so heavily between warrior and rogue. Warrior for smashing, rogue for cc and control. Back to warrior when I remember I’m not that good at rogue and don’t land damage when I need to perfectly. It’s a cycle.
Part of the fun 
I’ve been bouncing between my warlock / pally for pvp lately
I hope that is a joke.
He was not the best rogue in the CDL.
Yea he played bad in the CDL with a ruleset that already was bad for rogue. How many rogues actually did well in the CDL, exactly?
Actually better idea, name a rogue who is actually better than him at vanilla. Obviously Mir and Avi are better than him in arena’s, though he has r1 titles so he’s not exactly bad there either. But who is better than him at vanilla?
Like, Nhyt was absolutely insane at vanilla rogue. But I don’t think he’s played in years. Could you really call him better than perp right now?
PVp rogue doesn’t get to build up combo points to make ideal use of them more often than not.
Unlike pve where you get to time run this up you can lean towards the outright damage dealer spenders.
I’ll put slice on the bar as more a my target is about to die (and won’t need a spender to kill off). Era rogue on target switches loses combo points. I’ll dump that into slice but its not life or death need really. its more to not see 4 points vanish.