Rogue on Beta

They don’t exist nor do the changes/legendaries/conduits. Please send beta invites to rogue players so that they can start giving actual constructive feedback on them. Blizzard praises for transparency but hasn’t said anything about the class in terms of the direction of the changes or ideas on where they think Rogue should be.

If you need more time to add or polish up the items/passives/spells before pushing them into beta then at least say so. That way we aren’t sitting here worrying about being put on the backburner for so long that there’s no time for any feedback to get through for changes to be made.

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Rogue main since 8.3.

I was going to test rogue rotation, covenant abilities and conduits as sublety outlaw and assasin. I would love to be in beta so I can provide constructive feedback and to report bugs. I want to test, not just have fun.

I want Shadowlands to be the best expansion it can be.

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Simply Opt in for Beta Here.
https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/shadowlands#opt-in

Been opt’d-in since January and most other Rogues have as well. They simply just aren’t sending access to Rogue players besides a few streamers just for the publicity of the beta itself.

Thanks for trying though

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I don’t think they’re sending invites or avoiding invites to any specific class to be honest with you

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Or are they just that good

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I mean I’d agree, it wouldn’t make any sense to do that. But I think since they don’t have a lot of Rogue things “ready” to be tested, they aren’t giving known Rogue players the invites.

Like sure it’s fine to want to get through other specs/classes 1st and not have everything push out at once. But even just sitting there with the base core abilities to test out and give feedback on would be beneficial.

I’m also not personally demanding/asking for an invite here either just to clarify. I just know a lot of community figures for the Rogue class that haven’t gotten an invite but get asked about how the class/spec is on Beta and simply can’t answer them.

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ignoring all the discussion on “borrowed power” going into shadowlands , if we look at rogue’s base toolkit, it works. Rogue plays smoothly and the changes to all three specs haven’t made any new glaring issues and that’s fantastic. kudos to developers.

HOWEVER

We aren’t going into an expansion where that’s all that matters. this borrowed power whether we like it or not, is coming with us. conduits, legendaries, soulbinds, covenants. They’re all new and interesting systems being added to our characters, which will all heavily effect our gameplay in one way or another, making how the base toolkit feels without these systems only matter for the first 10 minutes of shadowlands.

In the past three months, we’ve seen much needed changes to classes like shadow priests, fire mages, and warlocks which they were in desperate need of. While this was happening, all classes but rogue were still getting their much needed small tweaks here and there, whether it was with their covenant abilities, their anima powers, or just some small toolkit changes. Rogue may not have been IGNORED, but they weren’t given any updates on any front as to what the (still) two missing talents in sub and outlaw which, being in the row they’re in will (hopefully) be heavily impactful to their gameplay, any more anima powers rogue will be using in torghast (shamans have over ~70 and rogues have ~30), or how the covenant class abilities will be changed to actually be a viable choice in any content (sepsis has no use in solo content, slaughter has zero viability outside of pvp and even in pvp is not appealing). So while the much needed changes to classes whose base toolkit needed extra attention and polish (whether you agree with those changes or not), it cant be seen as anything but unfair to see rogue get absolutely no information in such a long time. So while I agree that when the toolkits of each class/spec were being tweaked and changed, rogue needed very little attention at all. But blizzard you cant seriously be putting this much faith into these new systems of power in shadowlands and expect rogues not to start losing hair over how little information of any of these systems we’ve gotten.

In BFA we saw what happened with its borrowed power systems. they were implemented with little to no community testing whatsoever days before the expansion released LIVE, which resulted in blizzard having to play catchup for 2 whole years trying to patch the holes in their progression systems while only adding more every patch.

Coming back to shadowlands blizzard has done absolutely smashing in most regards to showing off the systems of borrowed power for many of us. almost all classes have legendaries to test and more than half the classes have conduits to toy with or have had their conduits datamined. except rogue. rogues have no legendaries. rogues have no conduits. rogues have the least amount of torghast powers than anyone else (for real get creative like you did with mage and DH, something like making actual shadow clones after you shadowstep, or allowing a cannon barrage for outlaw again wtf). And rogues are still missing two key talent choices. If rogues don’t get anything to test much longer, the entire rogue community will have little to no time to have ACTUAL back and forth with developers and just sit on our hands and knees and pray to the big Chris Metzen in the sky that Blizz just gets it right. just one shots all of rogue gameplay in one beta build. they make conduits feel strong for all three specs, legendaries influence strong playstyles for multiple forms of content, our covenants actually do something positive for us, and that the talents being implemented into both sub and outlaw will enrich their playstyles and builds instead of being dead talents like ghostly strike or venom rush. We just have to hope?

I cant help but feel like rogue is being punished for being strong during BFA, when every expac come out, every class has to roll the dice on how strong they will be and where they will be strong. Why does it feel like rogues performance this expac is effecting the development of it going into shadowlands? as if the strength of BFA rogue will carry over to shadowlands and the developers think that we’ll obviously be fine and no work needs to be done.

Please Blizzard, if you don’t put more resources into rogue soon, you’re going to have this class community jump ship when the legendaries are blander than any other class, the conduits do nothing interesting, and our covenants just feel like a chore to use for more dmg. I want to use my covenant ability inside my classes toolkit, not feel like I’m forcing it into my rotation to do more damage. This expac is shaping up to be even better than legion, you’re so close to having the community crash back in like a tsunami, don’t just drop the ball on an entire class like you did shammy for BFA.

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The fact that almost every single bug the few people that play rogue actually HAVE access have reported have gone completely unfixed and we are now in beta is a joke

-The BTE crit change DOES NOTHING right now
-Backstab is only applying FW when you crit from behind, but so is gloomblade which is the talent that is suppose to ignore positional requirements
-Crimson Vial Pickpocket stuff STILL isn’t implemented
-They said Riposte and Toxic blade are suppose to be talents again, but NEITHER are in the talent row
-There are still 2 MISSING TALENTS AND WE ARE IN BETA
-Torghast still has basically half as many powers as any other class
-Slaugher still exists as an covenant ability which is unironically worth 0 DPS as sin rogue, and does almost NOTHING for either spec
-Sepsis has been removed AGAIN
-Still no legendaries

Like come on, it’s beta and the last change to rogue was “BF does damage on activation” and it’s been silent since.
Obviously I agree that stuff like DH, and Priest are bigger issues that are probably bigger priorities to fix, but holy, just give rogues just ANYTHING to play with, show that there is at least 1 dev working on rogues rn

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I’ve been a rogue and only a rogue since the beginning . We will have our time…it will probably be influencers — MDI / Arena runners then more of the general populace in the final few waves as invites.

Keep up the faith, please represent our kind well if you get in as rogue mains.

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“Hey Blizzard, whatcha doing with Rogues?”

Blizzard: :man_shrugging:

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Sepsis is being reworked as well as bone spike.

Bone spike refunds too many combo points - applies a wicked bleed (until it dies) and costs too little energy .

It was bound to get reworked hard.

Sepsis is great but I definitely see the vanish going away as it’s a bit ridiculous .

I was hoping for Slaughter to get reworked as well even if we lost the healing siphon to be able to apply multiple dots with it .

Our toolkit opening up again is going to be wonderful once again.

I don’t foresee any adjustments coming though . Just tuning .

All rogues seem to be doing solid damage ,hopefully another invite wave goes out over Friday but we shall see my brothers and sisters .

Patience , discipline and adaptation .

Good luck to you all and I hope to see you all in SL

I think there’s a lot of Tauren rogue players in the beta but no one can find them

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Having them tell us “We don’t have Rogue stuff ready yet” would still be better than just not seeing or hearing anything at all every patch. And like Foreverguy mentioned previously, there were bugs with our baseline toolkit abilities that were bugged since alpha, reported on and then still havent been fixed since.

I also agree with the fact that other classes like priest/dh might need more immediate attention but like why is it so hard for them to be transparent and informative about this stuff, why censor your game when you’re asking us to test it?

It’s very worrying to see the alpha move to beta while a class is still pretty much naked. It looks like poor time management and that they might be rushing things which might not be the case at all as well but that’s a logical conclusion that I can draw from the situation.

Rogue is facing a battle on two fronts in this testing phase, and to my knowledge, this is the first time the class has seemed so out of the mind from Blizzard. There is a clear lack of invite waves, through alpha and presumably continuing now into beta. Furthermore, even if you were to get an invite, there is quite literally so little things to be tested. No legendaries, no conduits, and dozens of missing anima powers leave those willing to test rogues with not much.

Although I can admit that rogue does tend to be one of the more stable classes between expansions, it is not an excuse for the willful ignorance that it is facing from Blizzard. The absence of dialogue between them and this class’ community is just not supportive of their evolving focus to be more tuned in to feedback. We are in beta, we were in alpha, and so much has gone unchanged let alone touched upon. What is the purpose of keeping things to yourself if you are unsure of how it turns out? Let us decide, just let there be something to test, something to provide feedback on. Two missing talents for months? Unimplemented features promised from Blizzcon? The amount of care for this class so far is damn near pathetic, and it needs to be improved immediately.

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This is Blizzard’s way of saying “We’re trying to phase Rogues out of the game”.

I have mained rogue since I came back to WOW after a 6 month hiatus after playing druid.

This character is my main for Shadowlands after seeing Blizzard gut ferals so much. Rogues seem to be getting the same treatment especially Sublety.

I want to test Sub, from the videos of Sublety in Alpha we seem to be in a good place damage wise. Still some tuning that needs to be done.

I have seen the Rogue community cry out for Ambush to replace Shadowstrike, to remove Find Weakness positional requirement from backstab and to give us back Garrote.

Im purely coming from a PVE perspective as i love to raid and do dungeons. My biggest complaint is damage. Sub got nerfed hard in BFA and left to rot. Im having to wait until prepatch in hopes SUB gets fixed. Having to play around Shadowdance to do competitive dps is not fun. As soon as Shadowdance charges are gone my damage tanks… hard. I understand Sub is built around finishers and spamming 6 combo point eviscerate is where our damage comes from. But spamming shadow dance and eviscerate is not fun. I want to test sub and give feedback on the spec in Shadowlands… i can’t do that without a key.

agreed, there are people on it. Now it’s a waiting game just like other classes.

We know that we’re doing fine damage on beta right now, but once they add in everything on top of our baseline toolkit, certain things will more than likely be overtuned. This has also never been about the damage or numbers in general. We can’t even talk about numbers yet because we haven’t been given the stuff to test yet.

I’d like to be hopeful and overly optimistic but Covenants themselves already seem like a headache to deal with going into this expansion. It’ll also be a bit before any class/spec is stable and ready for launch but Rogue hasn’t even started yet pretty much. It’s been 3+ months of alpha and now starting beta without any feedback getting attention.

At most we have 4 months left before prepatch and things can change during prepatch still but the points is; Time is ticking away and there’s this class just sitting there with nothing to show for.

Trying to butter it up by saying “Just be patient” and “Rest assured, we just have to wait” is pretty much being complacent and complacency is a deterrent to change and growth.

This is about wanting to help them make the class something worth playing or look forward to. We need more Rogues giving feedback on the beta, we need info on when we can expect our legendaries/conduits/covenant abilities, we need more transparency from blizzard themselves and we need more meaningful communication between the community and the developers. Don’t be complacent. Make this expansion the best one yet. The Art team is hard carrying this expansion right now if nothing meaningful gets changed to these new systems and 4 months isn’t a lot of time.

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My hopes for Shadowlands is that I can finally raid mythic tier.

I wanted to raid mythic Nyalotha but sublety just doesn’t pull the numbers without bis essences and corruptions and i came in to late into the patch to raid Mythic. Bfa just left a sour taste in my mouth and I just wasn’t having fun with the expansion so I left wow for 7 months.

My brother showed me blizzcon Shadowlands and I got so stoked for the expansion. So now I’m here hoping i get to provide feedback for Rogue and test the covenant abilities and soulbinds. So hoping i get in beta.