This nerf to rogue is terrible they have good opener damage but not good sustain damage in long fights and now they get a damage nerf? wtf
i was loving shadowlands now i feel like quitting already.
BFA was garabage and now i have a bad taste in my mouth already. i was having alot of fun until now. Theres alot more games out there blizzard!
Sub was broken, get over it. No class should be able go from undetectable and global another player in a single cheap shot. There was no counter play.
It was definitely called for and a good nerf.
those aren’t mutually inclusive.
Was a nerf called for? yes. not to rogues overall damage, but to their insane burst window with no set up? Yeah that needed nerfing.
But atm, it was the best and most reliable way to score kills as sub or force cooldowns.
some redistribution of kyrian damage into evisc/SS/backstab woulda been a great way to do that. instead they gutted a kyrian subs damage entirely and severely nerfed all subs with the shadowblades nerf. in addition to the stealth shadow duel nerf.
Was a nerf to ER warranted? Yes. WAs this nerf too heavy handed? YES.
Take a look at rogue representation in arena and ask urself if rogue are so OP, why is ret/warrior/healer dominating everything @ higher ranks?
Because in 3s the rogues opener is predictable and can prepare for it. And thats all bad sub rogues are. An OP opener and then they panic if they dont get a kill.
I kind of felt like ER and shadowblades would get adjusted but it ain’t Even the rogue nerfs I have a problem with, its how they made it so much better than the other covenants only to trash it completely, I’m all for balancing but I don’t think making it terrible is good for the game either. It needed to get brought in line for sure and the pots are still great but I was thinking the initial damage from ER was gonna get hit pretty bad but that we’d gain something else from the combo point mini game.
I switched to kyrian on Sunday and it allowed me to actually solo torghast and was actually my main reason for switching and because some friends wanted me to But it now just becomes a pain to go back necrolord, which I really didn’t enjoy all that much although the emeni tree was decent. Will be staying sub just will be trying some different talent builds and see if they make any changes to the covenants over the next few weeks.
“its how they made it so much better than the other covenants only to trash it completely” Weird its almost like we all saw the nerf coming. Its actually closer to being on par with all the other abilities now, the other problem is that without the huge on hit damage it just sucks to use and is awkward.
Who didn’t think ER and Shadowblades was gonna get adjusted lol? Again I said I don’t have a problem with nerfs I just don’t feel like them gutting a covenant is the move either, how would it be? I generally have enjoyed this game over the last 16 years minus bfa, but this covenant system is kind of off putting and already becoming hassle just like bfa and essences were.
You say gutted when in reality it just isnt astronomically better they the other 3. It’s now more on par with the rest. And thats a good thing.
A rogue popped into the DH forums to cheer for our nerfs. Just returning the favor!
Wow. Exactly. Its almost as if, in BALANCED COMPETETIVE PvP, that wasn’t scrubs messing around in low ranks, Kyrian ability wasn’t as OP as the whiners are saying it was huh?
They designed it so that the entire specs damage was dumped around one ability, and one set of cooldowns. So the opener HAD to be op or else you wouldn’t be able to effing kill anything.
Tell me something, have you tried to actually kill anything as a sub rogue in arena with only 1 or 2 cd’s up? You rarely force CD’s, let alone kill anything. Post nerf, to force CD’s and land kills, you need every CD up, and a perfectly timed stun/Bomb/blind window when they have already used their defensives and trinket.
No one is or was denying that Kyrian sub insta-dropping 12k with no set up, on people’s heads outta stealth was unfun, and oppresive at low ranks and needed to be fixed. The problem is that, sub actualyl didn’t do more overall damage then ANY of the other specs doing well in arena right now (ret, hunters, warrior, DK, WW monk, Spriest, fire mage). ITs just all its damage was loaded into a very short cooldown window.
Now, that cooldown window has been nerfed into the ground and hasn’t been replaced with anything. Which ends up with sub having no burst, AND no sustain.
at the moment its a damage class that can’t effing kill anything. Is the spec being nerfed into uselessness in any competetive PvP and better then the spec being oppressively overpowering at low ranks? There is a halfway ground between being oppresive and completely uncounterable at low ranks, and mosquito damage at high ranks
Grow up and consider things from other perspectives.
They went too far with the nerf.
I got deleted by plenty of rogues grinding PvP gear, but it wasn’t like rogues were the biggest threat in a battleground. They die just as fast as anyone else if you CC them.
People just need to chill out and quit throwing a tantrum the second they hear the kidney shot sound.
WHAT Nerf, I just got sapped, then sapped again, then chopped, sapped again and then dead!!!
How the hell are people supposed to counter that. Its BS. People are talking about a nerf? What Nerf, I am not seeing any nerf in game play? NO CHARACTER SHOULD BE ABLE TO LOCK YOU DOWN AND KILL YOU AND YOU CANNOT DEFEND YOURSELF. THIS NEEDS TO BE FIXED ASAP. PERIOD.
uuuuuhhh trinket and bear fourm when you get stunned? idk what you want? I think every class should have the ability to globle you if you don’t have a defensive up. now killing through barkskin or evasion would be a problem
LOL “now i cant global everyone” rogue tears love them especially from people that play the current FOTM I’d be willing to bet you were a DH through BFA
=P =P =P hilarious
killing through barkskin should always be a thing. It needs to have conditions met though. Druid needs to be in caster / cat form. Druid needs to not receive healing from any sources. DPS hitting the druid need to use large offensive cooldwons. DPS hitting druid need to not get peeled.
Druid should absolutely be able to die through skin. It’s low mitigation on a short cd that’s able to be used while ccd lol.
What’s good about that? All covenants are pretty much trash for PvP for Rogues.
Covenant abilities for Rogues seriously need work. They are now all bad for everything instead of ER not being bad only in PvP. It is gutted since it’s hitting barely harder than Shadowstrike.
Most people that come laugh at Rogues being nerfed have a very narrow vision of what’s good for the game, the others are just trolls. Wanting a class to be bad because it’s been good in the past is hilariously narrow-minded if you want the game as a whole to be good. Every single class needs to be competitive instead of being left in the gutter.
Of course the GCD one-shots needed to go, but in resolving that Blizzard went way overboard and nerfed everything about doing damage for Subtlety. Blizzard unfortunately targeted the wrong stuff as usual. They should’ve addressed the Master Assassin legendary, shifted damage from ER activation to the CP mini-game and/or disabling PvE trinkets in PvP. Instead they nerfed one of the covenants close to uselessness while the 3 others were already borderline useless in PvP.
Lmao no smart rogue fights on the front in a bg. They stealth to the back and global the healers and casters one by one
Honestly Ferals had no problems before the nerfs. Survival instincts during the burst window and there is no prayer of burning them down.
People just overreact because they assume rogues are always overpowered. “A rogue killed me, therefore rogues are overpowered.” Like rogues shouldn’t be able to kill anyone.
Nevermind the ranged DPS T’ing off on you with absolute impunity, or the warrior that gibs you the second they charge you… or the Ret that drops you in half a HoJ.
It’s just biased when it comes to rogues. It’s like people are pre-programmed to assume rogues are the problem EVERY time they get killed by a rogue.
If they were to nerf anything on a rogue, I’d rather it be the CC. The Burst was fine.