Rogue needs Raid Utility

Cause we basically have none.

And no, Shroud isnt it, that thing is practically useless in raids, and cant be used in combat, even in Dungeons it lost a lot of its power due to the design of the dungeons.

You could argue we have CCs, but not even that, CCs are only useful on specific fights (Which is not many), and its usually better done by other classes, an example being Hunters on Huntsman boss fight.

Basically, we are a mediocre DPS class that offers nothing but mediocre dmg.

Theres already an existing ability we could have back has Baseline, that being Smoke Bomb, its the fastest and easiest fix to this particular problem, it offers some defense to people on it, and its LoS thing could definitely be useful in some scenarios.

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No utility, no damage, nothing. Sucks to be the only one in game that doesn’t do anything for other players

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Whoa whoa whoa whoa, we don’t want attention from blizzard and their “fix”. Let’s just stay under the radar buddy.

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Ok , but you give up stealth in return :smiling_imp:

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I would settle for not having the quite literal worst two dps specs in the entire game making up 66% of our class.

Or having actual viable, worth while covenant abilities since every option is a competition to be slightly less mediocre than the last in attempts to justify the gcd/energy consumption of them versus regular rotation.

Outlaw having to over perform in every m+ just to be passable damage versus classes using 1-3 buttons to doing equal if not more damage feels really, really bad. Assassination is non-satirically the lowest dps spec in the entire game, after being buffed % wise every patch. Sublety was gutted week one of Shadowlands for pvp because of trinket interactions, not because of independent strength.

At this point, with no planned nerfs to Fire Mage / Boomkin, and no worth while buffs planned to Rogue… Not main changing seems like a deliberate waste of time.

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Well Flagellation is getting a pretty good rework, not sure how good it will be in the end though.

Definitely better than the current version by a mile.

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Sounds like you’re talking about locks also… closest! Now! Hearthstone! (Raids moves 5 feet) closet!

Nerf rouges, overpowdered.

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Hey you at least have Hell Cookies and Portals.

Also a battle ress.

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I would agree if your powerful spec wasn’t the single highest raiding dps spec in the game… =(

Though yeah, the warlock utility demands are silly

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That’s the thing… its only affiction. Destro and demo are afterthoughts and affiction is getting nerfed in the .5 patch

You guys were king twit of crits, dps, detecting traps etc etc for how many years?
Give the rest of us a turn for a bit hahah.

Sry I couldn’t resist, not a put down just being a goof.

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Aff lock nerfs were reverted, and they may be less-viable but they’re still much higher than sub/sin are performing.

I’d be fine with one viable spec (outlaw) if it didn’t require 15+ buttons of near constant maintenance just to do middle-tier dps.

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What? Outlaw absolutely pumps right now and how does your 30% heal not count as utility?

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Well, someone has to be at the bottom. Welcome to the lower half.

We have snacks and mojitos.

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Compared to say…Rallying Cry? or being able to toss Innervate on your healer? How’s about being able to pop Heart of the Wild and become a literal healer for a little bit such as on Sun King when all the adds die right away?

Rogue needs one thing it can do for everyone. Bring back Smoke Bomb as a raid cd.

And Outlaw is okay. One spec out of their three is medium tier.

thus the reroll.

It’s barely desirable, you’re never going to outperform a WW Monk and raids area always going to want UDK for the AMZ utility as well, there’s just no reason to take a Rogue even if they are playing Outlaw.

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What about hunters? Or ele sham (wind rush is almost useless with a balance druid to roar)?

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Honestly did not read that OP was talking specifically about raid utility, but also I don’t think every class needs some form of raid utility.

Yeah if all you do is pug then I guess it would be difficult to find a group. The outlaw rogues in my raid still pull great dps so it’s really not an issue.

@op

Specifically, what would you like for a utility?