The current state of rogue in raid is so down horrendous the race to world first teams are benching all of them. And yet we continue to receive either tuning that does almost nothing or are ignored entirely.
Sub rogue went into the tier getting its aoe and cleave nerfed, the latter being confusing because rogue was already struggling on cleave. And now it’s the worst spec on the Lightblinded Vanguard boss fight which is 3 target. But don’t worry! We can swap to 2 other dps specs, thank the lord. But wait! Both of those other specs are at the bottom of the charts too. So rogue has no playable spec for an entire boss fight.
This isn’t just a problem on that fight in particular, rogue does not do competitive damage on any fight this tier. This just compounds on the problem we do not bring a good raid buff. Sure, atrophic is a thing, but if your raid buff class is being sat on mythic prog that goes to show it’s not a mandatory buff.
Not bringing a good raid buff sucks but maybe rogue brings something else? NOPE. No utility. Shroud is useless in raid and borderline useless in M+ when half the mobs have true sight and it’s on a 6 minute cooldown. No battle res. No lust. No raid buff. AOE cc hilariously taken away for some reason and we’re getting it back in the .5 patch. Rogue surely saved right? Nope. There will still be very little reason to bring a rogue to keys unless we do monstrously overpowered damage.
These are problems we’ve been having for a long time now, but from this current race we can now see in plain sight it’s manifesting as a serious problem that you guys need to rectify. PLEASE HELP.
The problem is that we bring nothing but damage, and we don’t do damage. There is 0 reason to bring a rogue over another class atm. We are just bad. Assassination is unplayable. Outlaw is a joke. Sub is the saving grace, and that is midtier at best. There is just no reason to bring a rogue this tier and guilds aren’t even going to ask who to sit, it will be the rogue every time
If you’re going to just ignore the tuning for all three specs, please delete the class from game. It already has abysmally low play rates in raids and m+. The current attention, or lack there of, to bugs, gameplay issues and tuning is abhorrent.
Fundementally we are in a poor place. Even beyond the poor dps numbers we are pulling, the specs feel as though they are not complete. Sub has several talents that are copies of each other and Goremaws bite has been dead on arrival for a while and not even looked at in the recent pass of changes/reworks.
No raid buff is huge, for a class that is melee which inherently suffers in raiding content and most PvE content, it seems unreasonable to then not give it something that makes it attractive.
Our M+ aoe seems good in large part to people still doing low keys and our high burst masking the fact that we have almost no real sustain as Sub. Assasination does great boss damage but seems to struggle in what used to be a strength of it’s spec which was spread sustained AoE (2-3 targets).
Almost every thing a rogue does, even burst, is now done better by numerous other classes…many of which have raid utility and are ranged.
The recent buffs seem to almost be a slap across the raid, perhaps because the tier for sub was so strong but yet they were still vastly behind their pure dps counter parts.
The class is also losing representation and the whole lack of attention and meaningful changes that show a lack of understanding of the class leaves many feeling quite dispondent ab out it all.
I still don’t understand why Outlaw went from one of the most reliable specs when it comes to straight damage to the utter clown show that started all the way back in Shadowlands.
It hurts that there’s so much RNG in Outlaw. Thank god Vanish Dancing is gone, but dear lord relying on Ace procs suuuuuuuuuuucks.
I main outlaw rogue. I will always play it regardless of whether or not it’s best to use. It’s my love, my life, my dps.
But please, do something with it. Only reason I ever get invited to keys is because I do a solid for folks by playing resto shaman to help them skip waiting. I shouldn’t be getting into keys as a pity dps for helping.
I’ll reply with my main for once on the forums. They need to at least address the rogue community to explain their design philosophy and plans for the class. Are they afraid rogue will be too good with slight buffs? Do they think we were overrepresented in the past? I don’t even care to be top of the damage, it just sucks to see classes with 10+ ilvls lower outperforming with less effort. PLEASE HELP.
The RNG isn’t even that bad anymore if they would just get the tuning correct. Give us a single target build and an AOE build with viable tuning. Outlaw is so fun to play if it would just hit harder.
Rogue do low damage (ローグの攻撃はゴミ). same parse as arms war (パース赤、戦士と同じ). Bring shame to guild (ギルドの恥). M+ instant decline. (招待拒否). I stand in city like NPC.
Sadly, it isn’t. I’m sitting listing my own key for hours and getting absolutely no bites because everyone can just skip the lower bracket entirely at this point.
Spec is garbage fire (天赋是垃圾火), Key bricked by your presence (钥匙因你而碎). M+ score fake like plastic (分数是假的), Instant decline by all leader (秒拒). Go play Hello Kitty Island Adventure (去玩凯蒂猫),
Rogue is actually so garbage. I am benching mine, and will not be returning back for a while. Honestly, just play something else if you want meta. This is unfortunately how they want you to play now… I hate their lack of tuning as well….
This is why we have to see what is brewing before passing judgement. Truthfully the devs are clearly doing small gradual changes now because the 40% nerf/40% buff week to week balancing was a bit too much. Players said as much and I am inclined to agree with that view.
As long as Rogues receive continued tuning and hot fixes that is what matters.
Came back to the game, wanted to play a sin rogue and didn’t really look at “balance”. I never played a rogue and wanted to try and play one
Leveling felt fine, and the dungeon runs were ok because the tanks just pull everything and Sin’s bleed spread made me feel like I was doing “ok”. But I could already see the giant holes during single target boss fights (it helps that most people are not playing well in leveling, so the dot damage can stack up)
I just got to 90 and did LFR…I don’t have the words for just how bad it feels to play. Just ignoring the numbers (because fresh 90 derp), mechanically Sin has nothing to offer on any of the fights for LFR that I was able to do. There is no “This is perfect for my class and I can kick a**” fight.
I just feel like I wasted all my time leveling this. Because even if I gear up the character, it’s always going to feel bad to play. And I can easily see why nobody would want to bring one to a raid other then a filling bodies scenario for normal mode. And its even more baffling when I see classes like Frost mage able to have an answer to every single situation (on demand burst, tons of cleave, great single target)
About the only positive that I can say is that I felt like I had decent survivability…which means nothing if you are playing with any group with a brain (And thats why it felt good during my LFR runs because the groups don’t have brains)
-also I can not believe I had to censor for this forum
