Yellow Hit cap is 9%, 8% with +5 weapon skill. So, running standard combat build (sword or dagger) you get +5% hit and + 5 weapon from talents. leaving 3% hit to be gained from items.
Yet all BiS charts say to stack +hit up to 15%. Isn’t Stormshroud set > white damage offhand hit %?
I feel like I remember getting +hit past 9% was a waste back in vanilla and Stormshroud / +crit was better. However, it’s been quite a few years so I could be mistaken?
your thoughts?
could be wrong but I read somewhere that +hit over yellow cap needed to be balanced with equal amounts of crit gained. like at what point is it a dps loss to take +hit over a crit/ap item?
Yellow hit cap is 6% with 305 skill, you still want more hit past the yellow hit cap though, since your autoattacks make a huge portion of your damage. At higher levels of play, hit also starts being a priority when you reach the crit cap and need more hit to benefit from higher crit.
there is no 9% cap… it is after 9% you need to match it with crit because you can not push glancing blows off of the table…
For warriors bare minimum 6% is the way to go due to heroic strike queuing, but missing an offhand for a rogue is also arguably less important for them than a warrior, since they regain energy regardless of hit rate.
You can’t prevent glancing blows, but you can mitigate them to 0% damage loss (outside uncrittable) with 310 weapon skill.
Realistically though, this is only advisable for Humans since they get sword racial on top of several swords giving + skill.
Its because for warriors and rogues a huge portion of your damage is white hits which irrc need like 23% hit to cap out. Yellow attacks only need 8% hit to cap out with 305.
To my understanding…
Hit cap is 9%… but 6% with +5 weapon skill and makes your miss rate on a 63 mob 6%. You get a hidden .4% hit per weapon skill point added for the first 5 points over cap, and don’t have the 1% penalty from being more than 10 levels difference between mob defense and your weapon skill. So 9% to miss - 1% penalty - 2% to hit = 6% to miss with 5 weapon skill.
If you get 5% hit from talents that means you’re at 1% to miss a level 63 mob and just need one more on gear to zero out misses on everything, up to and including a 63 mob. Also keep in mind this is both talent-dependent, and weapon skill dependent.
For a generalized spec that works in all setups that don’t necessarily include that stuff, you’d need 9% to hit from gear.
Edit: Oh herpa derp… forgot that DW adds 19% miss rate to each hand, so all to-hit stuff plays. That’s probably where you went wrong.
So… no one REALLY answered the question…
Do I want +5% hit form talents AND another 9-11% from items or is it more beneficial to use +crit gear // Stormshroud set for energy gain?
basically you want 9% w/o any talents for your SS to always hit. and as much hit as you can if you are swords, since you auto attacks make up 60%ish of your damage. since swords swing slower but hit harder, you want to hit as much as possible on your auto attacks
Dagger spec, you want 9% w/o talents so your Backstab doesnt miss, and you want to focus on Crit/Attack Power since backstab is about 45% of your damamge and Auto attacks are about 50% and since daggers dont hit has hard but attack faster you dont really need to worry as much about the hit%
If you’re using the BiS lists from Wowhead, they aren’t entirely accurate.
So basically you’re saying that the 19% added miss rate is to the weapons (MH/OH) if DW, but the specials still use the standard 8% to miss on a 63 boss(9% if out of defense/ws differential). Got it.
Which is why queuing heroic strike is nice for warriors.
Why does it seem like so many bugs and remnants from vanilla are beneficial to melee…?
Ah, maybe thats why i remember things different, I was daggers way back when. thanks for the info!