I am so grateful and glad Blizzard has brought back RNG gearing in the form of Prized Lacquer/Varnish and using it on PvE gear.
It is awesome that some people can hit 4piece earlier than others now due to participating in content which has nothing to do with BGs or Arena.
I am sooo glad they got rid of the vault for this, well done. Bravo.
I know the goal of implementing this was probably to give PvErs an “in” into PvP content. But it’s worked out fully backwards. Now it means PvPers have to run raids in the early part of the season to hit a power spike with 4p that you are otherwise time gated for.
It literally took me running LFR once to get that the set piece I needed, then upgraded with the Prized lacq. Spending 25 minutes doing an LFR raid was not the end of the world…and now I don’t have to PVE again.
To me, that was a lot easier than banking on my vault being useful. Now THAT was crappy RNG.
I don’t understand the complaint-- you’re upset at having an option to get tier that wasn’t available to you last season??
Omg… the amount of complaining about gearing is getting old really fast.
You don’t need to get PVE gear. You can still convert PVP gear into tier. Maybe you won’t have 4 piece immediately, but that shouldn’t really matter.
To be precise, they’re queueing LFR for tier and adding PVP iLvl scaling to it via the new item. It’s not some complicated procedure that you couldn’t do yourself. It’s something you choose not to do, but choose to complain about all the same.
PVP vault was terrible. Fun, but terrible.
You mean LFR to be precise. Hardly a raid. Go in, bop a boss that has minimal mechanics, collect loot. You can watch a movie while you do LFR it’s that easy.
Again, you choose not to, but want to complain about how “Unfair” it is that others did.
yea its wild lol. some classes wont even use it. thankfully im a degen with 3 druids and 3 hunters. Only planning on running 4pc on 1 hunter tho seems like a big downgrade.
You got lucky, i’ve done around 10 wings across all my chars and not one tier drop. The people i’ve seen get them are insta dead in first few globals of the fight and get to AFK and collect their tier. Crap system.
Not everyone plays druid, for some specs the 4p is a massive upgrade.
I don’t care how many people disagree with me over this. I know it’s a bad system, what we had in Season 1 was fine. This just opens the door for people to hit 2p/4p earlier than others, which was the problem in DF. Which is why they removed the vault in the first place. So now we are back to that RNG crap system, it just works slightly differently now. Also there is an incentive now to not spend your conquest/tokens and wait to see what drops you can hit before buying gear, thats a terrible dynamic. You should always feel like you have the agency to spend your currencies as you get them and not have to worry about blocking yourself off from potential upgrades because of RNG. There is a reason they got rid of the great vault for PvP in the first place and this is exactly why… I wouldn’t expect everyone on forums to understand this concept though.
I thought it was April 1st we get our 3rd catalyst charge? (Not including the 1600 one, which would make it 4.)
There are over 30 specs in this game, just because it is a marginal upgrade for your specialization doesn’t mean that’s the case for every other spec, come on man.
You don’t know how much of an upgrade it is for each individual spec, especially ones you don’t play/haven’t read the set bonus for.
For some specs it is 1-2% and sure, you can argue it’s not worth it in that scenario. But some specs such as Disc its contributing to up to a 10% throughput increase.
Yes, I’m aware that’s how it works. I play a lot of alts and have messed around with a lot of sets on the PTR. On average they’re a minor upgrade with few outliers being decent upgrades that improve rotations. But the reason a lot of people don’t even bother with tier sets is because the stats generally aren’t ideal when you go 4 piece so there’s also a negative to it.
It’s all about min/maxing, not “Holy good look at this power spike”. They nerf tier sets in PvP for a reason
Yes, I never said 4 piece is bad and nobody wants it. If this is what you understood from my comments I would suggest re-reading them and improve your reading comprehension. I said 2 and 4 piece is a minor increase and not “massive” like you’re trying to make it out to be. Who cares if people get it early? Ohh noooo their output is 2% higher than me noooooooo!!
Insurance, across all healers, is a minor increase. Like when you say a “massive” increase, what do you even consider is massive? It does very little healing, both the hot and the save. The numbers are weak and barely worth the loss and it isn’t taking into account the secondary stats you’re forced into that you aren’t bis
Disc priests are not god-tier because they have 2 or 4 piece, they were good before they got it and they’ll be good with or without it. It’s a minor upgrade
That’s cool, like me? I already told you I play a lot of alts but I guess that just went right over your head and you’re still assuming I only play boomkin? Lol, this isn’t even my main
In what reality is a 10% throughput increase not “massive”? I don’t know what game you are playing, but in the game I play even a 5% boost is nothing to be shrugged at. Your secondary stats being slightly better optimized won’t outweigh this boost.
Irrelevant, Disc is just one example. There will be a few specs who run 4p. Again, Just because the specs you play don’t value it, doesn’t mean others won’t.
Doesn’t matter how many times I read your comments, I just disagree with your take. Reading comprehension isn’t an issue. I understand exactly what you are attempting to say but I don’t agree with it at all and I think you are biased by the specs you play. You assume because you don’t require it, nobody does. Very arrogant & pig-headed way of thinking.
In the world where you’re just making up numbers I guess. It’s not 10%, so it’s not massive. It’s not even close to 10%
5% is unrealistic too because you’re likely adding in the 2 piece to that made up number
Of course it’s relevant, because you brought it up. It was a direct reply to what you said.
Disc is THE example you brought up, unless you think it’s a different healer that’s dominating…in which case you’re wrong
The specs I play and the specs I don’t play. I play a lot of classes, tested a lot on the PTR and I play with a lot of people, better than both of us, who are having this exact conversation. Is it even worth it? Slightly
Unlike your takes which is basically “agree with me or I’m going to call you arrogant and pig-headed”. Agree with me…or else
But you brought it up and thought you were on to something. I’d probably say I don’t care too if I tried calling me out and then realizing I didn’t read properly lol
Ok then. I want you to explain to me why letting some players hit 4p earlier than others due to RNG and gearing in PvE content is a good thing?
Because this was a problem all throughout dragonflight which they remedied in TWW Season 1 by removing vault, giving us deterministic weapon drops and increasing conq cap. But they have gone back on this with the introduction of the new consumable lacquer/varnish.
We don’t get our 4th catalyst charge until April 1st. This leaves nearly 2 weeks of some people having 4p over others.
As I have already mentioned, the 4p power spike for some specs is actually quite significant, with Disc being the best example and most played healer right now. 4p is a 10% AND MORE boost to throughput.
I’m not making numbers up either, this is the number it is doing in both Arena and BG content, 11 to 15% sometimes. It’s so laughable.
You can think that you are making fun of my logic all you want, it doesn’t make you right.
if you took your own advice you wouldn’t have 3k posts on here.
You cannot justify why it’s a good change at all. You have come in this thread just to argue and be a contrarian and provide absolutely nothing to this discussion. But I guess you need to pad your post count right?
You said that, without anything to back it up yes. It’s your opinion, I understand that. It’s wrong, but I understand you won’t change your mind. You made up that 4 piece gives you 10% output, it’s pretty funny
Lol
LOL sure it is, big guy. Let’s pretend that’s true (it’s definitely not, you’re being a drama queen) you’re missing the fact that the 2 piece would also factor into this. The healing of insurance from 2 and 4 is tied together
But disc priest are not getting a 11-15% increase from it LMAO
I said it’s a non-issue, not “it’s a good thing”. I never said it’s a good thing, PVE gearing is never a good thing in PVP. BFA was terrible. I said get over it it doesn’t matter, for 2 weeks we have to deal with a few select people having a very minor increase
Maybe you could care a little less after all. You clearly care too much about something which is apparently a “non-issue”. It will be a “non-issue” in a few weeks once we are all on a level playing field with catalyst charges but thats irrelevant. The earliest part of the season is crucial for placing yourself at a good rating to start the season off strong. That is, if you play rated content at all. That is why I am trying to make the point that RNG gearing in PvP needs to go. Season 1 there was none at all, you made your choices as you got the currency and that was it. Now there are the haves and the have-nots. Just like it was in Dragonflight.
It’s quite funny that you are typing walls of text over something you think is a non-issue. But I guess this is the way people end up with thousands of posts on here. Just arguing for the sake of arguing at this point. If you disagree just move on with your life. Plenty of people I have talked to in game agree with me, real players. Not just forum lurkers.
I’m not going to contribute to your attention-seeking post-padding fiasco on here. Just another player with thousands of posts contributing zero. I’ve said what I need to say and we are just going around in circles now because you crave attention. Have a good day.