I’ve seen the line repeated a lot that HC servers shouldn’t have trading because having this restriction kills the incentive and ability for RMT. Despite the fact that this is a purely unsupported assertion, it doesn’t get a lot of pushback. Until now.
In this thread, I invite everyone to speculate about different services that could be traded for real life money.
Characters
The most obvious commodity on HC servers would be level 60 characters. Instead of grinding in-demand auction house items, RMTers would level a character and sell it for the prestige to the same customer base of any other RMT service: lazy/unskilled people with disposable income.
Sure, there is a high barrier to entry in this market, but that just shifts control of the RMT market of the server to a different group rather than eliminate it entirely as is the claim. Personally I’d rather not sacrifice my gaming experience so these guys can cash in on their incredibly niche black market product/service. There really is nothing simpler than creating a new account, leveling a character on it and selling the account for hundreds of dollars or more.
Raid Roster Spots/Carries
A very natural pipeline for the customers of the previous product, raiding and gearing on HC servers will be a tight knit community where a few guilds will represent the entirety of the server’s serious raiding population. Whether for convenience of quickly getting on the gear treadmill, peace of mind to not worry about wipes with an established guild, or simply the bragging rights of being a known HC raider, there will be those who buy their way into guilds or raids.
Gear
Same as above, not much else to say.
Leveling bodyguard services
Probably the most realistic micro-transaction - following the customer around as a heal bot or DPSing down the mobs they tag.
What other examples of RMT do you think would plague hypothetical AddOn-rules HC servers?
… I think you need to take a break. You are looking way too far into this
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They trade at 60. Who’s to say there hasn’t been “verified” 60s that haven’t bought gold lmao.
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Get 60 with a hunter and get paid with blood diamonds to kill a level 40 elite in stv.
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Hatred is a debilitating emotion. Let it go…
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As I said elsewhere you could restrict it in a way that characters can only give gold or items to characters same level or higher. You could still RMT for gold or items at lvl 60 and trade for services from a high level but as you show it’s not worse than current HC rules.
RMT does not exist on hardcore bloodsail
you can pretend it does if you want, but it’s pretty dumb / delusional to do so 
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Assuming RMT doesn’t exist on Bloodsail, that would likely because people don’t care enough to buy their way onto a leaderboard for a third-party AddOn. The official server will come with legitimacy and a sense of superiority in certain nerd circles. It’s a niche market for sure, but a market nonetheless. And given all the shady stuff that is swirling around the AddOn creators like SH, approving their own appeals, etc, I wouldn’t be shocked to know that there are in fact illicit RMT transactions happening on the low.
ok, well, I guess all you have are baseless suppositions
as opposed to regular realms with trading, which we know 100% have RMT
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The point was people can and do sell WoW services for real money online and that is independent of in-game trading.
It’s not an argument for not restricting trading, you shouldn’t give up stopping RMT because you can’t stop all of it. But you shouldn’t pretend an addon can magically stop transactions outside the game.
That’s exactly right, Dellesta. And further, these kinds of justifications for the addon restrictions are post-hoc rationalizations rather than actual arguments. They start from a place of wanting the addon rules for whatever reason, and use whatever justifications they can think of, even if they’re invalid or incoherent.
I want to believe, but with the insane number of people who bot, hack, exploit, script, and cheat in ways i have never considered… Well you know, its highly likely there are loads of cheaters
all you have are baseless suppositions though
show me one instance of it happening. you can’t
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Show me one instance of RMT on official death=delete-only HC servers. You can’t.
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Is it tho? The status quo is cheating now days… (sadly)
Why even do the leg work?
If this were true Bloodsail wouldn’t be a recommended era server on these sites.
Typical argument from an Addon Andy. A good example of a situation where people would purchase non-grouped group mates would be the ZF mallet quest line. Going through the large troll elite zone in the Hinterlands is literally impossible as a solo player in the level range where ZF is relevant and so would be a prime time to buy a little help.
There are other examples such as the Gorilla quest in STV, the elite portions of Nesigwary’s various quest lines also in STV, and the chicken quests.
You think people are going to RMT for help “with the gorilla quest” and you wonder why people dont take you seriously??
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This will likely be my last response to you since it’s clear you don’t care to think before rudely responding. But yes, while less probable of a reason to buy backup than the other examples I gave which you ignored, Stranglethorn Fever is a notably deadly quest for solo players. It also has the benefit of being relatively quick once the fangs are gathered so the price for help on the quest would likely be pretty cheap.
The point wasn’t that a single quest in particular would support a whole black market economy that every player would take part in but rather examples of occasions where the subset of the player base who have the disposable income and don’t mind cheating (the definition of RMTers) would be willing to pay to avoid the headache.
