Latest and greatest from WoWhead article for Class Tuning as of 3hrs ago:
- Beast Mastery
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Laceration damage reduced to 5% (was 15%).
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Kill Command damage reduced by 20%.
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Huntmaster’s Call Hati and Fenryr attack damage reduced by 33%.
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Dire Beast damage reduced by 10%.
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Pet Melee, Smack, and Stomp damage reduced by 10%.
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Barbed Shot damage reduced by 25%.
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An issue with Territorial Instincts summoning an extra pet when talented into Animal Companion has been fixed.
You’re on a 2 NERF streak with BM Hunters…STOP!!! You’re killing the spec without improving the survivability when NERF’ING their core skills into oblivion.
You displayed “Kill Command damage reduced by 20%” but you’re not putting was values along side it. Same goes with some others.
Where is this FEEDBACK coming from? What “data” are you pulling from?? High M+ keys? Beta Testing Heroic > Mythic Raids??? Where???
Just STOP with the BM nerf’s already…
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they actually nerfed the stam pet to 5% from 9 i think with this patch, making the subpar survivability even worse. They also kept the forced Explosive shot on BM. Cobra shot is barely used in the rotation now with dire beast. Do these devs test the game before making changes?
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Good question. Who knows at this point. Been playing BM Hunter for all of Season 3 & 4 and continuously monitoring BETA testing & class tuning for BM Hunter and it’s just astounding how quickly all of these nerf’s are flooding WoWhead just about every week. For what? TWW is 3.5 weeks out and they’re nerfing for what?
Meanwhile, we have dungeons like Dawnbreaker that just absurdly overpowered but they’re not concerned with that whatsoever.
I don’t know at this point. I was liking some of the changes for BM Hunter from when the class tuning started to come out in a positive way, now, as the days and weeks keep going by, my attitude and concerns have changed for the worse since it seems like they’re just keep nerf’ing BM for what reason no one knows. Is there some secret tech out there that the dev’s are doing internally with gear, borrowed power system ect that will make BM Hunter “OP” to where they’ve decided to make these current changes for the worse for BM? Who knows at this point.
Season 1 for TWW is going to be a nightmare and for these dev’s getting trigger happy with the nerf bat this early on which is going to have a negative impact for LOT’S of players, not just for BM spec.
- More Tank nerfs
- More Healer nerfs
- More DPS nerfs
It’s all going to add up in the end. I just don’t know where they’re pulling ALL of this conclusive data from to come up with these nerf values. High M+ data? BETA Heroic + Mythic Raid values? Who knows. I don’t and would like to know.
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Complaining about nerfs when we’re in a pre-patch and haven’t even unlocked Hero Powers which are a big source of our damage profile in TWW is just… dramatic?
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welcome to average wow player iq
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Let me get my bullhorn:
WHO ARE WE?
“BEASTMASTERS!”
WHAT DO WE WANT?
“OUR OWN CLASS!”
WHEN DO WE WANT IT?
“RIGHT NOW!”
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thats not a we thing thats a you thing
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Don’t ask me to stop the “mostly peaceful” protests…
Edit: I think this is perfect. The worst we make things for Hunter across the board now, the better the transition will be. Not much unlike turbonerfing WoD Survival, we can begin mitosing BM away and SV/MM away.
Perhaps the Blues are catching on to what’s needed to be done!
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I didn’t I simply pointed out that you’re the only one suggesting it there is no we just you
It’s the only future Hunter mains can have unless you want every Hunter main to move to Classic. So I’d pump the brakes about it being only me.
You forget that I WAS NOT THE ONLY Retail Hunter that MOVED to Classic full-time. Not a lot of Hunter mains in Cata though, but I’m sure there’s TONS in SoD or Era.
Nobody else wants it, but if Microsoft doesn’t force it on everyone, this class is going to suck yet again like it has since Legion. How many xpacs is that so far? Leg, BFA, SL, DF, and now TWW. I counted 5 there. So it’s down to that: either we’re forced to evolve to something that will save our lives or we’ll just linger and be deleted.
I can just laugh because the rework we waited 20 months is by far the most underwhelming thing I ever saw, and with our hero classes being bad with the possible exception of Pack Leader being the meta, we’re so far behind the other classes it’s not even funny. Except it is. I laugh because I must not cry.
Beastmaster being its own class HAS to happen. I’ve said this before too: you can expect the entire Worldsoul Saga to be nothing but the same failure the class has been since Leg. If you want to gimp and self-flagellate yourself, go right ahead. I was told you really don’t care about the class anyway, but I will say that anyone who gave the best damns about Hunter jumped ship. Maybe you have? Maybe you’re just doing the same thing I’m doing, but secretly, you already have an 85 Hunter in Cata or 60 Hunter in SoD we don’t know about.
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I switched back to MM. I mained BM in SL and DF but time to switch back.
With the changes to MM, I can level with a pet and run keys with a pet, without nerfing myself too much. So that makes me happy
I mean for you it was ok that a 450 BM hunter can pull more damage then a fully a 500 ilvl mage.
Just to be clear, those BM Hunter nerf’s were because of the recent Amirdrassil the Dream’s Hope Weekly DPS Rankings article from WoWhead. That’s the reason. The data that they pulled was based on the 95th percentile.
Furthermore, they make these decisions based on Mythic and/or high M+ keys, not LFR, Normal or Heroic Raid or low M+ keys, because those values can be inflated by over geared players whereas Mythic Raid data displays players who are at or slightly above item level geared for Mythic Raid which the data would be more reliable to go off of.
So who’s to say next weeks “flavor of the week” DPS pulls higher/more than BM Hunter…will they get a substantial nerf too because now that BM Hunters DPS will be lower someone else will have to be higher right…
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You didn’t get my point. If a 450 BM hunter can pull out way more dos then 500 ilvl greater classes something is wrong. And everyone noticed that. No matter what content you do, BM was roping the charts by huge difference.
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I figured Huntmaster’s was headed for a nerf, some of the other hits are surprising though.
Weren’t those nerfs beta though? I don’t think they are going to effect live. BM and Unholy are still bonkers last I checked.
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Where is this ilvl 450 BM Hunter evidence? You can’t compare a 450 against a 500 w/o any proof. Like I’ve stated, the class tuning is coming from MYTHIC, not if a 450 ilvl can out DPS a ilvl 500 Mage. Where did you even come up with that. 450 is still green gear. Stop the cap.
You know, I did look a second look and you’re right, the nerf’s are coming from TWW Beta, yet I’m still weary about them adjusting based on pre-patch as well. If the data is coming from JUST Beta, cool, but if they’re comparing Pre-Patch AND Beta, compiling both of the data and make median adjustments between both, then that’s what I’m going with. But we don’t know that for sure if that’s being done internally. But what source is this data coming from exactly, that’s my concern. Nothing is mentioned what content the data is pulled from. High M+ keys? Normal, Heroic, Mythic Raids testing? All of the above? Who knows. Ultimately, these nerf bat adjustments leave people who come across their class/spec being nerf’d scratching their heads to where and how much overall data they are collecting.
I think it would be more comforting for the players if Blizzard informed in their patch notes specifically for class tuning what source of content they’re gathering the data from.
What if BM was “too OP” in Raids but not for M+ so they decided to nerf BM based on Raid data which inherently affects M+ damage.
Are the top 1% providing any feedback? Any consideration from class/spec build authors or content creators? Who knows really.
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It’s a rough comparison, how big the difference was and still is between BM and other classes.
Are they going to roll it back once that is no longer relevant? It’s as easy as declaring it. Looks rather permanent to me…
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TWW is being balanced around delves and i heard there making all pve content easier for the weaker classes instead of buffing them and then all specs that can breeze thru them are getting nerfs so technically things might be fine if they nerf BM hunters healers and tanks by 20% but nerf pve content by that much or more. They just want everyone to sweat like a survival hunter.