Right Click Report - Not Going Away

[Wastedlife-amanthul]

Well no it doesn’t. By just suppressing text and giving individual players the ability to see it that let’s people say whatever they want without being completely shut out but if I as an individual don’t want to see their junk I won’t.

How did they get text squelched in the first place without saying something egregious enough to warrant it? It would have to be visible in chat. Using your example, if they suggested someone suicide, then they would get reported and text squelched, right? But you still saw them type that if you were online at the time to see it. I thought that’s what you said you wanted to avoid.

[Ziryus-doomhammer (Ziryus)]

Well no it doesn’t. By just suppressing text and giving individual players the ability to see it that let’s people say whatever they want without being completely shut out but if I as an individual don’t want to see their junk I won’t.

How did they get text squelched in the first place without saying something egregious enough to warrant it? It would have to be visible in chat. Using your example, if they suggested someone suicide, then they would get reported and text squelched, right? But you still saw them type that if you were online at the time to see it. I thought that’s what you said you wanted to avoid.

Yep it was visible in chat and the general audience decided it wasn’t worth seeing. So yes in this regard I will go with what the general populace thinks and yeah I don’t need to see everything every random idiot wants to put in chat.

[Fearoftdark-akama]

I love blizzard. They always find a way to break everything. Good luck making chuck Norris jokes in the barrens now

[Wastedlife-amanthul]

Yep it was visible in chat and the general audience decided it wasn’t worth seeing. So yes in this regard I will go with what the general populace thinks and yeah I don’t need to see everything every random idiot wants to put in chat.

I’m just a bit lost. Earlier you said that you wanted people to self censor so they would think twice about saying something that might be offensive, now you’re ok with people saying offensive things knowing that they will likely be censored, but people can still see what they say if they want. This is remarkably similar to using ignore, except you would see less of what the community finds offensive in the first place. Is that what you’re saying you would be willing to accept as compromise, rather than seeing nothing offensive, you see some offensive stuff, but not as much as you would have to if you used ignore because people have already in a way ignored them for you?
Like I said, I’m sort of fine with that. Would be a bit clunky in practice though, and I bet you’d click on hidden text a lot because you couldn’t follow conversations people were having, thus leaving you open to comments you find offensive.
Also give me an auto-un-text-squelch-all checkbox I can mark.

[Ziryus-doomhammer (Ziryus)]

Yep it was visible in chat and the general audience decided it wasn’t worth seeing. So yes in this regard I will go with what the general populace thinks and yeah I don’t need to see everything every random idiot wants to put in chat.

I’m just a bit lost. Earlier you said that you wanted people to self censor so they would think twice about saying something that might be offensive, now you’re ok with people saying offensive things knowing that they will likely be censored, but people can still see what they say if they want. This is remarkably similar to using ignore, except you would see less of what the community finds offensive in the first place. Is that what you’re saying you would be willing to accept as compromise, rather than seeing nothing offensive, you see some offensive stuff, but not as much as you would have to if you used ignore because people have already in a way ignored them for you?
Like I said, I’m sort of fine with that. Would be a bit clunky in practice though, and I bet you’d click on hidden text a lot because you couldn’t follow conversations people were having, thus leaving you open to comments you find offensive.
Also give me an auto-un-text-squelch-all checkbox I can mark.

No what i’m saying is that the censorship doesn’t need to be as draconian as squelching someone completely. Personally if I saw someone who had been squelched chances are I wouldn’t choose to expand their text but that also wouldn’t be a binary punishment.

[Wastedlife-amanthul]

No what i’m saying is that the censorship doesn’t need to be as draconian as squelching someone completely.

You’re definitely speaking my language. I just think this method has some negative implications for what you wanted. Either way it’s not going to happen. Damn.

[Davrille-moon-guard]

Not punishing people using abusive behavior is, in itself, toxic.

I’m not saying they shouldn’t be. I’m saying that putting barriers up only perpetuates the problem; a system that gives them feedback isn’t nearly as effective as being ignored by everyone.

Nah. The LOC to any publication proves you wrong. The trolls drive out everyone else.

[Melaneth-dalaran]

So you think someone telling others to kill themselves, or threatening to kill them themselves, should only be dealt with using ignore, and should not be reported?

It should be reported, sure. No one is arguing the reporting side of things. If all RCR did was open up a GM ticket so GMs could look, see what was going on, and stomp on people, no one would have a problem with it. If it put a temporary /ignore on the person you reported, that’s cool, too. What people are arguing against is the automatic squelch mechanics in the system, which are open for abuse.

[Altrageous-wyrmrest-accord]

You’re saying that nobody buys an idea that MANY people hold in regards to free speech.

It matters naught what idea you hold. Your speech in game public channels is only as free as blizzard feels, and they have made allowances to defer to what their playerbase deems acceptable.

The host of this house party has given permission to it’s guests to help enforce their rules, and gave them tools to help enforce them while they run out for another keg.

House rules trump your faux patriotic “freedom of speech” gimmick.

If you come in and start shouting down somebody I am trying to listen to, then you’re not the moral equivalent of a person shoveling their neighbours sidewalk.
Terrible analogy though. Thanks for that.

Oh to the contrary, many people like to see snow, it makes them feel all festive and snuggly. How dare someone take it upon themselves to remove it from the sight of others, effectively removing their choice to see it.

[Lucitia-kelthuzad]

The trolls drive out everyone else.

Which makes me wonder how a community without RCR for its first two expansions thrived. Any ideas?

[Galdor-maelstrom (Galdor)]

Which makes me wonder how a community without RCR for its first two expansions thrived.

RCR has been in the game since May of 2007. That’s 1/6th of one expansion that it was not in place.

[Lucitia-kelthuzad]

RCR has been in the game since May of 2007

For afk and gold spam, not hurt fee-fees.

[Galdor-maelstrom (Galdor)]

Is it really necessary to like your post three times with three alts immediately after making it?

[Lucitia-kelthuzad]

? What are you talking about.

[Galdor-maelstrom (Galdor)]

You liked your post with three alternate characters immediately after you made it.

[Lucitia-kelthuzad]

I don’t really have time for schizophrenics. You agree that RCR was only for gold-spam and afk in bg’s back then, right?

[Galdor-maelstrom (Galdor)]

I’m not going to validate your trolling with an answer. Why not like your posts with thirty characters? Why stop at three?

[Lucitia-kelthuzad]

I guess I win this one then.

[Galdor-maelstrom (Galdor)]

No, I think I win. Even the number of likes proves I win!

[Ziryus-doomhammer (Ziryus)]

So you think someone telling others to kill themselves, or threatening to kill them themselves, should only be dealt with using ignore, and should not be reported?

It should be reported, sure. No one is arguing the reporting side of things. If all RCR did was open up a GM ticket so GMs could look, see what was going on, and stomp on people, no one would have a problem with it.

Except that’s all reporting did in vanilla and it didn’t work.