Hi Blizz,
For the upcoming patch, this reworked talent is very passive and less interactive. I enjoy the juggling act of keeping Dawn/Dusk buff up.
Please dont change “Of Dusk and Down”
Ty
You’re probably going to have a hard time convincing people of this take.
Holy paladins especially who need to use their holy power to do like 80% of their healing can’t afford to pool or spend to keep a buff rolling.
Healing requirements aren’t on rails like a 20 sec cycling buff is.
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The problem right now is the ptr version of it is still bugged and hasn’t been able to be tested properly and the patch is a week away.
It’s pretty sad.
Dude it’s way better after the rework. The talent incentives weird gameplay.
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Ptr dusk makes people overcap holy power to get 2 stacks. I dont care either way I like but ptr d&d should not stack. Shoud be 20% baseline and dont let it stack. In what world a spec is encouraged to waste their resources to deal damage
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In theory it is, but it’s costing us 9% dmg on crusader strike, holy shock, consecrate and judgement because it only interacts with HP spenders.
That will also affect all of our healing that isn’t a holy power spender by the same amount.
If they ever fix the bugs I’m sure it’ll be an HPS increase, but it’s undoubtedly a DPS loss for the healer with the lowest DPS right now.
It’s a huge problem and it needs addressing but the patch drops next week, the ability is still bugged and it’s worse numerically for DPS.
Absolutely disagree. Current dusk/dawn is terrible for holy paladin, definitely continue to change it. Ret isn’t the only spec, dusk/dawn needs to go into the ret tree if you don’t want it changed. Ret has so much more generation than holy paladin, dawn is extremely easy to maintain and is close to thoughtless whereas it is extremely annoying for holy and makes our healing more restrictive than it needs to be because we do not have the generation to keep it up easily, and sometimes we have to hold our healing in order to refresh the buff which is terrible.
And truthfully, sorry to say but current dusk/dawn is not at all intuitive for ret. It is almost mindless to keep up, hitting 5 holy power is nothing for ret. But even if it were intuitive, I’d still want it gone because it is awful for holy.
Edit- I do agree with the stacking aspect, they reduced it to max of 2 stacks so you only overcap by 1 holy power (at least for hpal, all of our generators only gen 1 holy power outside of DT and degen beacon healing with HL) but it does promote odd gameplay with holy power so that could go.
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With all respect, OP opinion is bad and does not represent the overall consensus.
Dusk in PTR is better with the only exception of the stacking. As you correctly said, The stacking on Dusk incentivizes poor gameplay and only achieves exactly what Blizzard was trying to avoid with this Ret rework: damage modifier stacking.
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