Return the "specify minimum quality" button to public orders

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I’m really trying to engage with this new crafting system because it’s close to what I’ve wanted for years but it seems so poorly thought out in some very obvious ways.

First off, it’s irrational to put in a public crafting order, because the first schlub that comes along can use your sweet gold mats to make a rank 1-2 item and you have no recourse. I put in a crafting order with all gold mats for a new blue blacksmithing hammer and it came our rank 2. So there’s no reason to ever make a public crafting order because you have no control over the rank you get, you just have to spam trade chat if you want it done decently well.

Second, it’s REALLY hard to tell how the quality of mats influence the final craft of something, both as the crafter and as the craftee. Someone was asking for a rank 5 blue gloves in trade chat, which I thought I could do, but when he put in a personal crafting order to me it had a bunch of things added that increased the recipe difficulty, so now it was no longer rank 5, and I couldn’t even do it because he wanted a missive that requires a specialty.

Third, I have NO idea as the crafter how adding things like matrices/missives decreases my ability to craft it until I actually receive the crafting order. I can’t even tell from my crafting pane how increasing the quality of mats will increase the rank of the item, I have to literally buy the mats first, or have the crafting order already in front of me, to be able to tell. So when someone asks for something in trade chat I basically have to say “yeah I think I can make that, send me a crafting order and, uh, I’ll see and let you know I guess”

So as far as I can tell, the most optimal way to get something crafted right now is to:

  1. spam trade chat asking for it until you find someone who can make it
  2. put in a personal crafting order request to them
  3. before they actually craft it, ask them what rank it’s going to come out as with the mats you put in, based on both the quality of the inputs and their personal crafting level
  4. adjust the quality of mats up or down as desired based on the outcome (which requires canceling and resubmitting the order)
  5. and if it turns out they can’t rank 5 it after all, which neither of you could have known in advance, you then have to start over at step 1 with someone else!

Since there are currently no BOE crafting epics, all this new system has done is move ALL crafting to trade chat.

All of this would be solved if they just brought back the “specify minimum quality” button to public orders. Until then, it’s pointless to use public crafting orders, so the entire Dragonflight profession system overhaul will just have the effect of recreating the old way, of buying on the AH or finding people in trade chat and saying “I’ll give you the mats, you make the BOE for me and give it to me,” but making it way more complicated for no reason.

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it’s a horrid mess TBH

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Here’s the crappy other side of the story. That crafter can only make rank 2, and the only way to level up to make better is to make those items to get skill/knowledge.

So you don’t want them to make a low quality item, rightly so, but they have no way to improve their quality without making low quality items.

Add to that the fact that, unfortunately, a lot of crafters can only gain skill through items that are locked behind sparks, a finite and scarce resource, how would they ever fulfill a public order that specifies a high quality item?

Indeed :frowning:

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You can’t put ranks back on public crafting orders until you give people other ways to reach 100 skill points.

Requiring crafting orders for basic skill-ups from ~75-100 is the biggest flaw of the whole crafting revamp and it is causing ripples of failure throughout other parts of the system and reinforces a rich get richer crafting ecosystem.

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I agree, public orders without minimum quality make the whole public order system completely useless. When the thing was announced, I thought I could just zoom by the crafting table every now and then to check what orders I could complete and be done with crafting once I either run out of stuff I can craft or “crafting order charges” but it turns out nobody uses public orders for anything other than quality-less stuff since they have zero guarantees.

You wouldn’t have the “oh, damn, I can’t craft this private order to that level with those extras put in” issue if people simply put in public orders with minimum quality requirement and only people who can actually complete it could pick them up.

Unnecessary complications that cause heaps of unnecessary trade spam.

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People won’t put public orders in for low-level stuff if they cannot require a usable quality so crafters are still stuck having to eat the cost of making leveling crap while they build skill points either way.

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It is also pointless to only be able to ask for bop items on craft orders. alchemy literally has like 350 potions/phials that you can learn and yet you can only apply for like 4 or 5 items when you post a craft order, resulting on a dead system for some professions like enchanting and alchemy.

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The Alchemy list for work orders seems completely broken. The options you can even order for are ridiculous and the phials people actually want you cannot place orders for.

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Alchemy is either almost entirely or entirely barren on crafting orders. And the orders that DO come in are for the one and only thing anyone actually wants out of Alchemy - The stat phial.

And the stat phial’s recipe can only drop from Heroic/Mythic raid.

There’s been a lot of problems already said, but crafting orders just on design intent is already flawed because of how people actually want to use the system compared to how Blizzard expects the system to be used.

People aren’t going to submit crafting orders for trivial things like health or mana potions, or niche potions and flasks. As stated above, the only way anyone is ever going to actually be able to use the crafting order system is by sitting there refreshing for hours and hoping you can snag it.

But yes, minimum quality likely needs to return or something needs to be done.

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adding ranks was stupid , a system like SL where the matrix decided the ilvl was good enough

the whole thing is a mess

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Commenting for visibility. This would solve 99% of the current problems I have with the crafting order system.

The only other solution is for every server to make their own trade marketplace discord, which is a less good option imo.

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this is the only change that makes sense to kind of “fix” the system without a major rework

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I have been trying to get a khazgorite fishing rod made…the problem with using the public tab means that i could pay 30,000 gold(for mats) for a blue rod that has the same spec as my green 346 rod (the blue does have about 10 more skill)…so i am stuck spamming chat to find someone that can make it and tell me the level before its made…the money for the high level mats is not needed for the basic blue craft

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They need to bring back the minimum quality button, and also reduce the number of weekly crafts. Or, make it so spark gear uses 5 (or maybe even 10!) crafts instead of just 1. That way, the public order system will be usable but it won’t be completely cornered by any individual crafter, and it won’t be a complete replacement for all trade.

The problem (and it’s super minor) with bringing back the minimum quality button is there’s a whole quest where an NPC talks about the benefits of using personal orders, and one of those benefits is the ability to set a minimum quality.

Honestly, though, I’ve enjoyed using trade chat to make my two pieces of gear so far. Definitely have to shift mindsets on how to advertise and work the deal. The idea of doing everything completely faceless through the public board is honestly a turn-off. It just turns it into yet another mission board, except it’s people filling out the missions and not a robot. That’s not a good goal imo.

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Personally as a crafter, I find the idea of spending hours on trade chat to score a few orders is severely off-putting when put next to the idea of a thriving public work order system where I can fulfil whatever orders I am able to from the public work order backlog and then be off doing something else.

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It would be great if there was true transparency and the people submitting the supplies could be ensured they were getting the item they requested.
I mean taking a crap shoot on ilv is total crap…

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Even at a guild / personal lvl I asked for a minimum of 5 star for a blue item and it came out 3 star. give them 50k tip too. What a rip off. People should be able to craft 5 star blue by now.

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I call BS. It won’t even let you accept an order if you don’t have the proper skill. I had to return an order to someone because they provided too few 3* mats for me to craft the item they wanted without an inspiration proc.

Unless, of course, all you did was put “5 star” in the comments and didn’t use the actual drop-down for minimum quality?

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Totally agree with whats been said - Some items that are recraftable dont require much to buy/farm for recrafting, but others, like the Khaz’gorite fishing rod, that requires several expensive engineering items; thus putting in a public order only to get a rank 2 means you have to fath around spending more money on mats again and then dally about on Trade searching for that T5 crafter - its all a farce tbh and the quality system just ends up being pointless if you cant actually use the intended system to find someone to make them.

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Especially given the Artisans Consortium shuffle that people did that allowed them to unlock recipes before most everyone else. They’ve soaked up a good number of crafts that would have helped people skill up so now those people are sort of screwed.