Honestly yeah lol. Prot warr is on the bottom for all tanks, sadly
anyone got jeynar’s info? we need to get an ambulance to his house. oh well its probably too late he’s probably dead.
Should dial up 911 for warriors in general tbh, except Arms in arena
It gets locked in by the week doesn’t it? I’ve always assumed it was by lockout period and not by day, but I’ve never bothered to actually figure it out.
i just want lore friendly ret paladins.
Careful, or Yama will start a rant about us being fedora wearing weirdos.
You want lore accurate Ret though? Chat up Tirion Fordring. He’s chill when hes not yelling or screaming “AAARRTHAASS!”
tirion is kinda my point like lore ret paladins are BAMF playable ret paladins not so much
Then why were they never this weak back in OG Wrath when their playstyle and balance was being actively designed and tuned?
Because they were never intended to be weak like this in their best possible gear. Ever.
That’s the thing though. This is a video game. If there’s a problem in a video game, it’s not just “unfortunately how life is”. You can ask for a terrible thing to be fixed about a video game, and you absolutely should ask for it to be changed if it isn’t working as originally intended and it’s causing a major problems for anyone playing that game.
It’s not like being angry that the sky is blue. This is something that people have actual control over, and it can be changed. Whether or not it’s changed is basically just a matter of how much time the WoW team has to allot it, or how much they care about the problem.
They currently don’t care enough about it to outweigh the time investment (they have very little time available), and the point of these threads is to make a case that will hopefully lead to them caring more about the problem. You speak as if nothing can be done about it.
No, I don’t care if a class is balanced around their canonical endgame gear. That’s how class balance generally works at least to some extent. The thing I have a problem with is that the single key to the spec functioning as designed is literally impossible to obtain. Unlike they were in OG Wrath.
I can’t speak for everyone using the term, but for me personally, when I say the spec is broken, I mean to say that it’s either not functioning the way it was designed to function, or that perhaps it is, but the intended function is far outside the range of what’s reasonable.
In this case, I mean the former. When Retribution was designed and iteratively tuned in OG Wrath, it was never a weak spec. It was a spec that was capable of relatively high DPS because it was designed to be. That fact that it no longer is certainly wasn’t a conscious design choice made by the current WoW team, so I don’t blame them for it. But I sure as hell hope they fix it, as they were the ones who broke it.
That’s not specific to Paladins. That’s how many unreasonable people act. (See: Post-nerf Unholy DKs)
Even if that’s the case, I’m not aware of anyone specifically asking for Retribution to be placed in any single tier of DPS relative to others. All I’m seeing is people asking for it not to be a meme spec.
How exactly would it hurt the game for Retribution to be fixed?
they are. you just fail to admit that this is how they were intended to be played its okay i know its hard to accept you’ll have to deal with that fact. you don’t NEED 2pc. its just incredibly desirable for them to get them from the bottom of the dps charts to the top of the bottom. but never mind that right?
again ret is operating as intended. you are just mad their dps is low. stop conflating the two. some times life just sucks. some times you get into a car accident you break bone from the accident, you can’t get car repaired the person was uninsured, and you could be doing everything right. and still be found at fault. poor analogy true, but unfortunately some times life has a bit of misery you give them some level buffs now. they will turn around and screech. i don’t want to hear it. ret is the whiniest of all specs. they whine about literally anything negative. they could literally be a top 3 dps. and get knocked from third down to 5th dps overall in a raid. and they’d bemoan their slight dps loss. i don’t want to hear that they are being nerfed. you know they will say they’re being nerfed.
oh really? i’ve seen multiple times where specs just opt to avoid 2pc or even 4pc because its just not that big of an upgrade to their dps. especially when there were better itemized pieces available. tier isn’t always end all be all. btw as i stated they’d be the top end of the bottom of the dps charts. so it won’t make them that dramatically improved in dps.
you would be wrong. you’re injecting you opinion into this. their spells and abilities still work and function the way they were intended to for 3.3.5. thats the problem you refuse to accept. we were dropped into 3.4. why are you bending over backwards to argue this one spec should its self be buffed. when you also have combat that isn’t playable, Marks isn’t playable. Fury and Arms suffer just as bad. nope because they are at the very bottom they must need the help never mind marks doesn’t bring anything special to the raid, arms could be bring sunder but i think at this point that would be an entirely wasted spot. and fury, it brings a buff that the rest of the ferals bring. sorry they will all be viable. they just won’t be viable this phase or next.
oh it is very specific to paladins they throw the absolute biggest tantrum when they see their dps trimmed back even an a quarter of an inch. the unholy nerf was just dumb, they were looking at sub 90 second fights in Naxx off parse lords. if they had waited for fights where it lasts more than 3+ you’d see that gary wouldn’t be doing nearly as much damage you would have though. i’m over the nerf. i think its absolutely moronic how they addressed this. especially with the amount of haste that is in the first two phases and how little haste is in the last “three phases” of expansion for unholies to snag from gear.
because you still don’t understand it and you fail to understand it. the spec is not broken. the spec would operate the same if we are in t10 and a new player came along and leveled a retribution paladin. you think that new person is gonna have instant access to t10? at earliest its gonna be 120 frost badges. thats a couple of months of gearing. maybe 3-4 weeks if they’re lucky enough to find someone to carry them through a full 10 ICC and most of 25 ICC. do you think thats at all reasonable? i don’t. especially in this climate. that new player will be playing the spec every other pink boy dps will be playing now. but have it a lot worse. because they will have a 5 letter expletive that starts with the letter B of a time getting started.
show me how their spec does not work are they unable to cast Divine storm? are they unable to use Crusader strike? how about judgement? what about exorcism? Consecration? holy wrath? Hammer of the righteous? if these all work. then they are not a broken spec. they’re just not performing as highly as the rest of the specs. such is 3.3.5.
Just reroll like I did, my ret is dead until at least icc and it might not come back.
How’s that for intent.
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Look, there’s really no need to resurrect old Ret posts guys. We got our buff, lets not be petty about it.
intent? i fail to see what you mean by intent. DV and CS just get your stacks up from your seal to max. unless it allows you to push past 5 its not that big of a deal. the taunt not being a taunt well that could be a double edge sword. but a buff to their taunt and a glyph to make it not a taunt. eh. you’ll be at fury warrior bad. congrats. you’re middle of the bads.
if he wants to be petty i can dig in and hit at the nerve that bugs him the most. he’s upset rets aren’t being class stacked, he’s also upset that rets are pulling some god awful numbers so much so even blizzard felt bad for them so they gave them a slight tweak. lets be honest about it though their CS DV seal stacks doesn’t really change much. the taunt attack not being a taunt. maybe just maybe that might help them, buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut that could hurt the raid if a tank goes down. doesn’t change the fact they ain’t getting the buffs they really want.
If it accounts for even a fraction of the DPS we would normally get from T10, its enough for me. I want no more than what we are supposed to be. And if that means we are still a bottom tier spec, so be it.
It will still be approaching fair.
i just approach it from the no aspect because we knew what we were getting in 3.3.5 and IE 3.4 and its further iterations. all the rets thought they were gonna be ballers then they realized where’s our t10. this ain’t far. well life isn’t fair. if they keep the buffs cool. but they should be reverted when T10 come up. they probably won’t and because they said they’re trying to avoid buffing and nerfing through out the expansion i said they wouldn’t do anything drastic. they probably see this as an insignificant enough buff. i do like the fact ret gets its Seal dot up faster. i don’t think this will be all that big of a change they aren’t altering the damage. so i’m neutral to it. and the taunt thing is probably just a substitute until t10 is available. so i couldn’t care less. they just moved them from the very bottom to two to three ranks higher from the bottom. as a mage i like on the forums says benchtributions.
Those were your words all along.
Not even remotely lol.
Less ramp up time, can ramp up to max stacks in 8 seconds rather than 18.
It’s easily going to be our best glyph.
reread what they said. your seal damage isn’t increased in the slightest and your taunt being a dps attack is also now an oopsie i glyphed for dps when you could’ve taunted the boss off to a corner and bubble to res a tank or, taunt bubble allow a tank to clear stacks but i mean nope can’t think of that. its really not that big of a deal. they aren’t making wild swings like you hoped. they intend for your play style to remain the same.
correction you are. you wouldn’t be trying to stir the pot if you weren’t. you are. its okay. i’m not. i think the DV CS thing nice change. getting your seal dot to 5 stacks faster is nice.
doesn’t change any though. instead of 8 its 5.
factually incorrect. since you’re still reliant on 10 expertise from the seal glyph that is your best glyph. and the taunt glyph will be a double edged sword as stated above. you just see it as your best because you can’t see the pitfalls. again thats cool. 2nd bis maybe 3bis at best.
Literally not a single person has suggested changing our playstyle.
Dude, no, just cause you say something doesn’t make it true.
Just like it doesn’t make it true when anti RDFers claim I want to sit in a town to level.
Factually incorrect statement by you.
Reckoning is easily going to be our best glyph, by a fairly large margin too.
SoV you can drop in later phases provided your gear works out so that you don’t gain the full amount of expertise.
In fact, since Reckoning doesn’t benefit from expertise whatsoever, it actually makes the SoV glyph marginally worse cause less of our overall damage is going to be expertise affected.
No one is reliant on a glyph that provides 83 Expertise rating. Just cap the Expertise naturally and enjoy the benefits that brings when using Seal of Command.
People exaggerate the importance of things that are really not that important.
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