Don’t look at sims, look at how enjoyable it is. It’s not like season 3 simming higher has helped ret anyway. In fact, our tier may be the reason blizzard has chosen not to seriously address our trash tier dps this season. At least season 2 we were mid.
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Numbers can always be tuned…
Season 3 is not fun. Worst designed tier set ever.
Jesus I really wish they wouldn’t put this to a vote.
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This is nonsense. The s3 tier set being good has no bearing on Blizzards decision on whether to buff us or not.
In order for the season 2 set to be competitive with season 3 they’d have to buff it considerably. Since we don’t know what, if any, of those buffs are, season 3 is just flat out the best set bonus.
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- (2) Set Bonus: Judgment and Hammer of Wrath deal 10% increased damage and 15% increased critical strike damage. Hammer of Wrath applies Judgment to enemies.
(2) Set Bonus: Expurgation lasts an additional 3 sec and deals 30% increased damage. Casting Judgment or Divine Toll on a target with Expurgation causes Wrathful Sanction, damaging the target for (100% of Attack power) Holy damage and resonating [(100% of Attack power) / 2] Holy damage to up to 4 nearby enemies.
Which set bonus is most favorable for the legendary? Assuming it gets an update like the Sylvanas bow did…
Ret has been the same rotational wise for the whole expansion since our rework. Season 3 was the only set that somewhat changes our rotation
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That’s a tragic take.
The reason we weren’t addressed “seriously” is because they couldn’t be assed to, not because they couldn’t read the data (ergo, the three back to back to back 3% buffs)
As far as “enjoyability”, the main point of contention seems to be a dislike towards the diminished effectiveness it has if you don’t follow the order (as opposed to just-hit-whatever-lights-up S2 tier)
I would argue we need even more of these kind of nuances? Like stronger spenders to punish overcapping resources on top of that.
Having an abysmal skill ceiling isn’t a desirable thing…
Season 3 tier set made our dps in mythic plus so much better. Our single target has always been bad for this expansion.
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Doing blade of justice first is some great rotational change? Also season 3 sucks and is horribad for pvp.
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this is the most wrong thing ive ever seen in a pve aspect. please dont spread misinfo in an attempt to prop up season 2 tier
because its our strongest tier, its not clunky it legit passive bonus to our regular rotation? (boj on cd judgement on cd for debuff, spender) i dont understand or see why people think our regular rotation is clunky. unless they are giga overcapping hopo and misplaying their rotation from the get go
pvp not apply
we were mid because the raid was majority st, this raid is cleave oriented and we cant cleave without sacing st. this is not becuase of tierset
all three have no effect on the lego.
not even, but i appreciate the fact your one of the few voices of reasons in this thread.
if any of you believe that blizzard will buff the season 2 set beyond upping its ilvl. then idk what to tell you. considering their track record with ret as a whole you are setting yourself up for failure and malding at “why ret not good” again.
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Unless “updated” bonuses means tuned to actually be on par with other specs, which they routinely have not been, the objective best answer is Season 3, unless you only care about PVP.
Of course, the true answer is “revert Mastery scaling” no matter what the question is.
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PvP rets really boutta get the same garbage tier next season because PvE goblins be reaching.
Must be nice for PvE’rs to never have their set bonus nerfed by half when they do their main content.
Not trying to be rude or anything, but unless the devs decide screw it and they just deploy a vendor or whatever that gives every class/spec the option of having any of the 3 tiers next season so that both PvP and PvE players are satisfied, this is just gonna make the community even more divisive than it already is, and of course doing that for all players would mean more work for them, and they hate more work.
So. GG :/. Guess I’m staying affi lock unless blizz shocks me.
Edit: Nah actually rerolling SWTOR since that’s bangin right now while I let my last 9 days on this game run out.
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I don’t think S2 Tier voters understand.
(2) Set Bonus: Judgment and Hammer of Wrath deal 10% increased damage and 15% increased critical strike damage. Hammer of Wrath applies Judgment to enemies.
(4) Set Bonus: Judgment increases the damage enemies take from your Holy Power spenders by an additional 15%. Hammer of Wrath now hits 4 nearby targets for 20% of its damage.
would have to be
(2) Set Bonus: Judgment and Hammer of Wrath deal 40% increased damage and critical strike damage. Hammer of Wrath applies Judgment to enemies.
(4) Set Bonus: Judgment increases the damage enemies take from your Holy Power spenders by an additional 20%. Hammer of Wrath now hits 4 nearby targets for 30% of its damage.
To be on par with our current tier.
Meanwhile our current set works for both PvE and PvP if they take out the modifier decrease, that’s it.
If you can campaign to get either to happen, I’m all for it but otherwise I call BS and vote S3.
Better safe than sorry.
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S2 set is better for pvp mechanically, and in numbers (due to burst window). nothing about the S3 set could change and make it better, ur actively tweaking with that take. Hammer putting judgement debuff creates a much better faster (less globals) burst window for ret, while consistently pressing higher dmg buttons.
I voted S2, but i know im getting F’d by pver’s like u voting in the worst Set ret has had, that is insanely unfun to play and adds essestially trash dot globals to our burst rotation. “cause pve numbers”, when ur still bottom of the pack dps.
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Dude ilv in s4 is higher anyway so who cares???
What matters now is design and season 2 is the best one design wise.
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I can’t do two seasons in a row with this tier give me back s2 please
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I have to disagree with you there. Season 3 by far has been our most powerful set bonus. Season one was simple and Boring AF. It was eh, because at the time we scaled off of Mastery. We do not do that anymore, even though I wish we did. season 2 was interesting, and fun to see, but it was horribly under tuned, and Season 3 is much more significant to our dps.
But sad part is even with Tuning, unless they over tune it like it was on PTR, Season 3 updated to season four gear levels is going to see is strong again early on, but then fall back to the middle come later on.
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yes buddy so ur gonna vote S3 cause of tuning, when the main post said they will tune the pick to be equal with BOTH other sets, so ur gonna pick the least enjoyable trash to play option “cause numbers” thanks for proving my point.
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The problem with s3 tier is that it forces PvP rets to take a garbage talent lol, which no one likes.
I vote s1 anyway but I’d be fine with 2. Even if they take out the PvP modifier decrease for s3, it’s still mid. Unless they make equipping the tier grant us the talent so that we don’t have to waste a talent point, sorta like how when Legiondary class rings back in the day would allow us to have 2 talents, then I’ll be convinced.
Season 2 is better than season 3 at least in mythic+ …It’s better play style, and I can create my own talents and still get the same numbers. With season 3 I cannot do that , I have to stick with certain talents and another play style than I’m not used to… I hope season 4 is way better than 3 and will buff us more than 3% lol…
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