- if they get a 50% snare yes
- if heals are buffed or the backlash damage is unnerfed, sure, but ret dies.
- if disarm, incap, and similar abilities get an increase as well
- well timed disarm or incap can be just as effective as BoSanc
- sure
i mean ret dies easier than outlaw or dh, its just ret and warrior make eachother too durable because their kits are nearly identical
time stop and rescue for when the fw doesnt have a trade is really powerful. I don’t think the monk can fistweave vs teams with multiple cc drs without 45 second cooldown timestop immunity.
Is bubblebuddy and remi and same person different accounts lmao
No, Remi and Jimmybutler are the same person Bubblebuddy is Dark.
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Demo/frost mage buffs nice
I haven’t played since season 1 since before the ret rework. Seems the same people are still complaining about ret paladins? Is there any iteration of rets that you would be okay with, or is this a PTSD thing from previous iterations of ret?
You don’t think rets are problem right now… You fear that one comp could become a problem once multiple other classes are nerfed, and you think they should be primitively nerfed for good measure to ensure they don’t even have one comp? Word.
the one that doesnt have a set of healer cooldowns saving their team from every other go for 10 mins straight
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Ok… which iteration would that be? BFA only?
Shadowlands ret with 2 minute cooldown sac and no magic bop would be the closest I can think of.
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Shadowlands Ret was arguably even more capable of stopping go’s because of Word of Lay on Hands. Shadowlands ret could have their healer go afk in a match and be fine.
Only Ret iteration I could ever think of like you described was late BFA and… ret was pretty gutter trash during BFA.
You sure you don’t just want the spec to be deleted instead? Seems like even if they’re meh in meta you have a problem if they have any strengths at all whether it be utility, burst, dps, survivability, or healing.
Shadowlands ret was really good dude pls stop trolling.
In season 1 yeah. Wog was fine after that.
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I feel like the healing was stupidly strong all through shadowlands and just fell off in S4.
Shadowlands Ret was, at least imo, more toxic than Ret is currently. Much stronger healing, undispellable freedom, Vanquisher’s Hammer, the ability to 0.5 second kill someone basically all expansion, 8 second divine steed, etc.
Sure you didn’t have 1 minute sac in Shadowlands, but in Shadowlands if you weren’t attacking the ret you were small brain anyway.
I play for 2-3 months every couple years. Ret is always different when I play. I see the same names on here every time complaining about ret. It’s a meme at this point. I’ve seen your same group complain about every aspect of ret at different points. At the launch of DF ret was just a weaker version of itself in shadowlands and your same little group was complaining about ret over spriest, dh, and rogues lol. Stop trolling.
Well yeah, Radiant Decree was almost a oneshot at the start of DF. Things like that are worth complaining about, and rightly so.
Maybe slands ret was broken but it felt like they had a finite amount of saves and then you could kill.
Current ret with the addition of 1 minute sac+ magic bop+lay+ shorter cooldown bubble Ontop of keeping 45 second cooldown sanc feels like it NEVER runs out of saves especially now that healer trinket is 90 seconds instead of 2 minutes.
It’s like healer saves first then ret trinket saves then dps press defensive then healer has trinket back and on and on it goes until someone is oom.
Gigachad rational ret 3v3 enjoyer vs delusional biased shuffle denizen
Retribution Paladin is Warrior’s cheerleader.
They like, omg love them, so much.
I like 1 minute sac. I think it adds something to Ret. Maybe shorten the duration or put a damage transfer limit on it.
Sanc? On one hand I think this maybe adds too much to ret. On the other hand, Rets used to be able to break stuns with Freedom many a moon ago.
Magical BoP I think is acceptable because at least it shares a CD with BoP
Lay on Hands, bro dont even get me started on this. Lay on hands in arena infuriated me to no end last season when hpals rerolled and they’d have the audacity to LOH me and ask why I didn’t bubble. Loh can go die in a fire and return to the pit from whence it came.
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Make sanc 8 second duration unpurgable and works on all cc but it’s a 5 minute cooldown.
Maybe this is a cooked take but I think that would be better for the game than ret bailing out teammates every other dr