I feel betrayed, I didn't play any of the beta because I like to be surprised by new changes and things, but boy was I disappointed when I logged into my Paladin.
We have multiple problems that I see and I don't really see how we made it to live like this.
AOE? Where did it go? We have 2 talents for AOE to pick from and they are both on the same bar, why is Wake of Ashes one of them? It should have been made baseline as it's already on a long CD to begin with, now it's 45 seconds? Same thing with consecration, 20 second CD for 6 seconds of damage? They both sound underwhelming and probably a DPS loss vs Divine Judgment. What was wrong with Divine Hammer, nice little AOE talent you could pick up if needed and the cleaving from Judgment? Something needs to be addressed here.
There is also downtime during our "rotation" there have been multiple times where I have no buttons I can press, that isn't fun. Blade of Wrath needs to proc far more often, or add another charge to Crusader strike, cause there are dead zones with 30% haste and that shouldn't be the case.
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You should see me right now. My character doesn't use holy power for its spells. Essentially I can just spam Templar's Verdict or Divine Storm infinitely.
Definitely sad to say goodbye to divine hammer, it was the target-less aoe generator that we used to wish hammer of righteousness was. I don't thing consecration and small radius divine storm will be sufficient aoe on a lot of fights, especially those with any sort of movement (as aoe fights often are).
07/17/2018 09:59 PMPosted by Renaewhy did Crusader Strike lose it's charges?
Are we playing the same game? I'm looking at Crusader Strike and it has two charges.
I noticed periods of around 3 sec or so where everything is in CD and you can't hit any buttons.
Guess this is how its meant to be played now.
Guess this is how its meant to be played now.
Simming #1 single target dps and yet you still want more
07/18/2018 02:04 AMPosted by AzuremiI noticed periods of around 3 sec or so where everything is in CD and you can't hit any buttons.
Guess this is how its meant to be played now.
I'm not sure that's a bad thing. Not everything needs to be GCD locked.
07/17/2018 09:59 PMPosted by RenaeI feel betrayed, I didn't play any of the beta because I like to be surprised by new changes and things, but boy was I disappointed when I logged into my Paladin.
We have multiple problems that I see and I don't really see how we made it to live like this.
I assure you those testing ret on Beta were not silent about it. Everything you mentioned we brought up repeatedly. Another voice in the conversation might have helped. Who knows?
The empty globals only get worse as you level as the value of haste on your gear goes down.
07/18/2018 02:28 AMPosted by AltanniSimming #1 single target dps and yet you still want more
Not everyone cares about numbers, but rather gameplay..
Consecration is quite strong
With Hammer of wrath and cons, youll be gcs locked for portions of fights, execute range, wings
With Hammer of wrath and cons, youll be gcs locked for portions of fights, execute range, wings
With random resets, BoJ talent was pretty darn good for AoE. As much as I liked Divine Hammer, BoJ was competitive on AoE and leagues ahead on ST. Very little reason to take either other talent.
And we still have Divine Storm and the chest legendary.
And we still have Divine Storm and the chest legendary.
Devs have said that they wanted Ret to be more single target focused in BfA (I think it was when our dev came and talked on the Paladin discord, was in a Thete video if memory serves.) which I am totally fine with. As above mentioned, with Zeal and Blade of Justice I find the rotation pretty darn active, even more so if you use Inquisition for the additional haste.
You're kidding me right? Ret is bat!@#$ crazy right now. Outclasses every other class in burst, survivability and sustained dmg. If anything we need a nerf.
07/18/2018 05:22 PMPosted by HammersinYou're kidding me right? Ret is bat!@#$ crazy right now. Outclasses every other class in burst, survivability and sustained dmg. If anything we need a nerf.
shhhhhhhhhhhh
07/18/2018 05:04 PMPosted by EnyrAs above mentioned, with Zeal and Blade of Justice I find the rotation pretty darn active, even more so if you use Inquisition for the additional haste.
ppm isn't affected by haste or attack speed so zeal is super useless. It's just a boring passive that deals damage and sims higher than the other two.
Ret dmg right now is crazy high if you waych warcraftlogs. All rets are using hammer of wrath which makes us top dps at the end of a fight. Remember spriests during EN when they topped dmg like crazy at execute ? Guess what happened next, a nerf. Rets is already looking top dps on prepatch so it's just a matter of time till we get a huge nerf. I just hope they don't overnerf us. Just enough to stay in a revelant place and not middle of the pack for the rest of another expansion for the love of god.
07/18/2018 05:22 PMPosted by HammersinYou're kidding me right? Ret is bat!@#$ crazy right now. Outclasses every other class in burst, survivability and sustained dmg. If anything we need a nerf.
120 or 110?
If it 110 nobody gives a dam about how OP they are...
rightous verdict talent feels pretty bad uptime wise because of waiting on BoW procs. I think they should increase it by a couple seconds
I'm perfectly comfortable. Essentially my rotation has not changed since the first time I walked into Emerald Nightmare and even now. Only difference is Wake of Ashes is slightly slower.
idk what youre talking about. Out of my 6 lvl 110's i come to ret to feel better after i have been owned on my other 110s. 6-8k temp verdicts where my shaman lava burst is like 4k and master is 2k lol. ret is way on top.
07/18/2018 05:04 PMPosted by EnyrDevs have said that they wanted Ret to be more single target focused in BfA
Shame! DS should be insanely strong if it is our only aoe ability imo. Im liking having more buttons to press, and single target feels good (though lots of downtime). Would be cool if they brought back divine hammer though, it could play off BoJ like how CS and hammer of righteousness used to.