And my point is there isn’t any logical reason to also believe that it is possible for subs to be around the 2-3 million mark.
But hey, as I said, nobody except for Blizzard knows the true sub numbers.
Also, wasn’t there a leak in the API on what the sub numbers were sometime late last year to be around 1.7 mil?
No, lol.
It was a false flag.
You can look at all previous raid tier participation through wowprogress. You can correlate the number of subs with that progression with very little statistical error. The subs are higher than 2-3 million, it’s undeniable and anyone whose bias prevents them from seeing this should probably stop commenting on it.
It’s pretty much the only way bfa is breaking a mil at this point.
I’ve yet to meet someone who wouldn’t rather play a prior expansion.
Dude, you can look at RealmPop and it still won’t tell you anything.
Take this for an example, My Mage, Frostbites, could be raiding with 1 guild, and my Monk (example), could be raiding with another guild, while another toon of mine could be raiding with a third… etc. Hey, I am only the 1 person, on the one account.
And what actual proof is there?
“I’m calling everyone wrong now, they should stop commenting!” is basically your comment right here.
0/10 on the trolling man.
It makes sense when you look at the pay structure.
Chinese insofar as I remember pay for their use, not monthly. People in America, Europe and Oceania I think all pay monthly.
I think the Chinese model (metered pay) is better because you feel less compelled to do the daily chores in it. Once you’re paying the whole month you take a harder look at daily chores. So those of us on monthly payment plans are going to be fewer.
The answer is he’s jumping to the conclusion he believes with no actual data that supports his assessment. There is no way to correlate the number of players at any given point in time during a day with the amount of total active subs. At best we can conclude it gives the lowest possible end of the spectrum and isn’t, in any way, indicative of what the highest number is. It could very easily be many times that value as not everyone plays at the daily peak times.
You’re still not comprehending this, at all. I’ll spell it out for you once again; try to keep up.
The number of guilds that cleared Heroic Hellfire Citadel in 14 months when the subs were around 5 million was 17,800 (outside of China).
The number of guilds that cleared Heroic Dazar’alor in 6 months was 14,000 (outside of China).
Your scenario that suggests a meaningful number of players could be raiding in other guilds at the same time COULD ALSO HAPPEN IN WoD. In fact, it’s MORE likely to have happened in WoD because there was NOTHING TO DO BUT RAID.
Let me just say ni hao ma to our new Chinese overlords. 
Ultimately, everyone’s just guessing and everyone’s pressing X to doubt every bit of circumstantial evidence that suggest things are better or worse than they want to believe.
Only people who know are Blizzard and they stopped talking. Only thing they’ll report is how much money they make from subs or from the cash shop. Given they’re releasing a cash shop mount every month to near universal criticism, my guess is they make as much if not more on the cash shop than on the subscriptions themselves.
I can believe WoW being 70% Asian, in total numbers, for sure. During Wrath, this was definitely the case and was the main reason why the sub count went up as high as it did. There were only like 5mil US/EU subs, the rest were all Asian. I can see that ratio still being the case today.
Then they should get over themselves and make the changes the players want and stop being arrogant when it comes to game design and feedback. Its onthem not the players. You dont blame the customer. Thats why there needs to be a change.
Nonsensical.
Chinese insofar as I remember pay for their use, not monthly. People in America, Europe and Oceania I think all pay monthly.
Yeah, that hasn’t been a thing for a few years. Now China is on a sub model, I think the price is a around 12 usd give or take.
And once again, what true source is there for this? You see, you are completing missing the entire point? The numbers of times a raid gets cleared by all different guilds doesn’t determind the sub numbers.
And where have I said to do them at the same time. See once again, you can’t even face facts.
Even though WoD did lack content, there was other things to do outside just raiding. And with your comment there, I highly, and extremely doubt the sub numbers in BfA are higher than WoD.
I’m pretty sure Blizzard themselves have said that there is no A team and B team.
In all likelihood there is 1 team. As the next expansion ramps up people slowly move off of working on patch content and begin work on next expansion. It would make absolutely NO sense to have 2 entirely separate teams.
Development isn’t all done at once. A quest designer has nothing to do if a level isn’t built yet.
A quest designer is not a developer.
But whatever, it no longer affects me either way.
So basically some streamer makes an unfounded assertion and refuses to cite a source, rendering this somehow a topic worthy of discussion?
K.
https://www.wowprogress.com/
Stop trolling.
You’re telling me to stop trolling, yet, you’re the one trolling by using a source that isn’t being accurate either.
Amazing!
No
The player base isn’t 70% Chinese.
We have other realms, that even on Classic farmed gold and sold it.
IT IS TIME TO STOP.
Miss you Filthy Frank.