Doing some m0s and ret has been under tuned. Hammer of Light did not need to be nerfed. Overall dmg shows crusader strikes does more dmg which is sad. Nerfing wings and our apex talent has made this class subpar. Ret was fine where it was last season was not even in the top.
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Less hp spent, means more final verdicts for empyrean hammer procs and more free judgement procs.
Can’t call it a nerf really.
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(Sighs and shakes head)
This happens every, I mean every expansion. Ret starts off in the middle or below in the beginning. Then, as tuning advances, we get better.
Listen to me carefully: you DON’T want to start off strong. That puts the radar on you for the dreaded nerf bat. Keep watch of the so-called S-Tier specs. Blizzard’s gonna watch their performance in Heroic and M0s and say: “too strong”, and swing that bat.
Nobody in their right minds cares about performance in Heroic and M0s. Just stay in background, let the S-Tiers get nerfed while we get tuning buffs as the weeks go by.
Patience, young paladin. And learn the ways of the Holy Light. 
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I’ve played in semi high end mythic for a while now. This is actually true, however because of Instrument of retribution being a thing we look pretty good on meters the first week due to everyone dying.
Reality is we are just above dogsh** right now. Also our tier set 4 piece is MASSIVELY undertuned to the point where we will not be using it in certain target number situations.
To me, this being a thing every single tier is exhausting and at this point unacceptable.
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I agree something needs to be done with instrument. It is a literal handicap to the devs when balancing us.
It even effects us in pvp where we are the primary target to kill asap due to instrument.
I think Crusader Strike, a filler ability, doing so much of ret’s damage is really strange – and it is very noticeable in pvp.
It is a burst nerf to be fair, and counterintuitive to the pvp change where they now buffed it but it still does less than pre patch.
It also just feels worse and makes the spec less distinct from herald as it no longer has a 5 HP spender than changed pacing JUST A BIT. Hammer of Light being a big portion of the dammer was part of what made templar cool, the best iteration was still TWW season 3 where you could triple HoL into an execution sentence because of the tier bonus but apparently that was too cool to keep.
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Funny they have time to give us aura buffs, but not actually fix our “choices”
I just saw at least its something. Let us see how the numbers look after this week. Will be interesting indeed.
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I’ve been complaining to them from jumpstreet that the 6% they gave us was totally unnecessary. It’s not like we were anywhere near S-Tier when they gave it to us.
I was scratching my head when we received it. I’m just glad they reversed that decision.
Coulda used that in pvp I think. Though we shall see what the current slight buffs bring…
PvP ret is getting SERIOUS buffs this patch; I’m almost jealous. And the 6% buff we got last night didn’t say: " doesn’t apply to PvP."
The PvP Ret disc said that those 6% buffs from last night got reverted. Cant find any other source on this however
“Reverted”? You mean it didn’t apply to PvP? 
Because it definitely applied to PvE today.
Yeah that’s what I mean but there was no “not applied to PvP” in the blue post
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6% is and we still far behind many.
idk, i think ret is gonna be a good place if they nerf arms and rogue