just make wod ret again, i dont think everyone i know who played ret back then hated it
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No, WoD was the worst expansion this game has ever had, Empowered Seals also the worst talent to ever exist.
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maybe the worst expansion, but the class design in wod even mop was godlike, if you dislike you have never tasted good class deisgn
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WoD came out in 2014…
To be completely honest, this is a huge problem with Paladins and what has plagued the design of the class for the last 3 expansions (including DF).
Paladins got stripped of everything they had, remember we lost Hammer of Wrath for awhile because Warriors should be the “execute class”… yeah…
And it’s always this mindset of “just bring back X” but that never moves the class forward. The class is outdated, we don’t need a 10 year old design. 
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I would take WoD ret back in a hearbeat. It obviously was not perfect, but it was significantly better than it is now.
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Zaim the problem is that blizzard doesnt know how to balance th spec, they increase our damage then they nerf it and the spec becomes garbage, from bfa to shadowlands i think ret got nerfed like 7 times, 3 in bfa 4 in sl, the only we had was dmg and we were broken, so i would take old class design all day instead of nerf-fiesta we have today
WoD was a bad expansion overall but that does not change the fact that Ret had one of it’s best designs ever. MoP and WoD was Ret’s best design, regardless of the expansion quality.
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The issue is, it was good for it’s time, which I feel a lot of people don’t take into consideration. It wouldn’t work well in today’s game. =/
The only thing that would be good from WoD now, imo, were the Glyphs.
Except WoD was rerun talents with a few things added, one of them being Empowered Seals so it cancels out really anything positive.
You’re being extremist. Ret had multiple positive things going on during WoD.
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but it doesnt change why they cant go back it’s literally the same spec, but some spells being reworked like wog could you use on 1 2 3 hp, es could be used w/o havin 3 hp and you could use it on yourself, blade of justice is exorcism except it gives 2 hp instead of 1 and does physical damage, So your reasoning doesnt apply why they cant go back.
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Well yeah, if it was WoD paladin or this current Paladin I’d choose WoD too.
But if it’s a rework, and I have to choose between WoD Paladin or new Paladin I would hopefully choose the new…
Current Paladin < WoD Paladin < New 2023 Paladin (hopefully)
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jesus…i am old
That’s just like, your opinion, man. lol WoD had its flaws, but Emp. Seals, although not perfect (clunkiness, seals on gcd, etc) was just awesome and my favorite talent all time. Would have loved to see Blizz give empowered seals the attention it needed!
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No we don’t need WoD ret. We need ret and all paladin specs to become modern. Not stay in the past.
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We were race cars. Everyone hated us because there was no escape and when we fought you, we’d still hit hard. I blizz got too many comments to nerf ret.
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I don’t think ret is bad to play now, but there are some big issues with the spec overall.
What id like to see are cons talents removed and replaced with other things. They tried, but cons is just not a super core part of ret and trying to force it is wasting space in the tree. The art of war cons proc is super cool though so that should stay along with probably the 100% dmg increase. Exorcism should interact with the spec in a more impactful way.
Survivability is bad, mobility is worse. I have no idea how you can say “ret needs to remain slow” and then also allow it to have some of the worst survivability out of the melee, especially in pvp.
This class could be so sick but I feel like the developers restrict it pretty heavily. They need to revisit mobility, ret is by far the least mobile melee and when they design raid encounters with heavy movement (almost every fight this tier) it really shows how bad it is. Less damage than other melee and less mobility is not good design.
DKs (who were the other slow melee until df) got huge updates to their mobility this expansion and paladins actually got nerfed mobility from shadowlands. It is really bad.
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Seals weren’t even full gcds. People forget that often I think.
-fellow emp seal lover
WOD Ret and WOD feral were my
Favs. Ret had fun mobility and burst. Cool talent choices. Higher skill cap. Now it’s blow your load in arena before you get killed after bubble
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Concentration would be way better and useful if it was just an automatic effect that appears underneath you when you use certain abilities. Maybe like every Holy Power spender casts it automatically under your feet, or allies feet if you use it to heal with WoG.
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