Anyone else having tons of fun with the rework/buffs to ret while they last?? No way they allow us to be this OP… lol
honestly i been putting together a holy set.
but yea the offhealing by ret and prot is insane.
Ret is far from OP. You must be playing with scrubs.
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Anyone who is stupid enough to let you line up all your cooldowns with the biggest telegraphed ability in the game for 8 seconds without using any CC, mobility, dispel or damage mitigation is a dumb dumb. OP? Please.
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He is fighting a lot of higher end arena players in that video, while also having random bg montages. There isn’t a ton of outplay to FR+ES, I’ve had games where I’m not able to get uptime at all during the ES window and still almost one shot them with ES
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Hmm, it’s prepatch once we’re all 60 those numbers will certainly become more reasonable.
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His arena matches are vs multi glads. Not bad OP, have you tried prot yet?
Auzz hows that locker?
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the majority of games end in one of two fashions; your opponents blunder their defensive usage (or don’t kite) and die to the ES one shot sequence, or the game barely gets to your third ES and more consistent specs and team compositions win (more often than not). winning games feels stupid and there’s very little satisfaction to be had.
they will nerf the ES one shot sequence
they will nerf WoG healing, but still won’t address ret’s lack of self-survivability
they will continue to ignore ret’s lack of mobility
after BFA, ret needed a similar rework to what warrior’s got - the golden age iteration.
We have ES + FR now for a strong burst every min too and it’s ranged! It can still be countered but it’s strong, wastes their CD’s if they want to live and the ranged burst damage helps the spec in PvP.
Maybe, I hope not.
IDK about this, they have been continuing to buff It for Ret. I assume they want our healing to be strong to make up for our weaknesses.
I don’t think they see it as a problem, they want Ret to be a slow spec with high burst as it’s niche. They would need to make a good number of changes different from what they are going for if they decide to finally give us more mobility.
yeah. immediately after my post i had second thoughts re: a potential wog nerf, and you’re probably right.
they would need to make changes, but frankly it’s not so many as to upset the balance of retribution in an arena setting. it’s wroth emphasising that when ret actually had mobility, they still weren’t considered a meta spec outside of a few seasons across multiple expansions. if this is the final rendition of retribution and its foundation is that niche you mentioned, then defensive abilities need to be addressed instead of mobility. previous abilities like divine protection would be a good start.
My dream is to see ret paladin win blizzcon 
guys let’s be honest here, im hitting for 18-19k with just final reckoning sometimes… this isnt a huge setup at all lol
R u still mastery stack ?
youre hardstuck 1700 you have no room to call other people scrubs lmao hes playing at 2600 mmr those guys def arent scrubs
and yes ret is op currently it doesnt matter if theres counterplay to an fr/es window, no ability should be able to one shot someone from 90% hp that is not hyperbole
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First off exec isn’t a one shot ability really. It’s more like a dot that does all it’s damage at the end. The dot requires the paladin to pump huge numbers into the opponent for the duration of the dot and use all offensive cd’s. Then if you haven’t managed to out play exec sentence you can use a defensive or immune and usually survive.
People who are actually putting a little bit of time into messing around in PVP are already learning to play against it and it has only been a couple weeks. It’s very similar to touch of death except it’s coming from a Ret that is far slower, easier to control, less cc/sustained dmg.
If arena season started today with no changes Ret would not even be the most popular or successful melee, let alone spec.
Would be amongst the best, not the best but to say ret isn’t insanely strong rn you have to be trolling
Call me insane then. I have been messing around in PVP in ptr and prepatch and I don’t see rets dominating. I actually like to see a ret on the opposing team it’s usually a win.
I have been watching some streamers try and play ret at high levels. They are not in Any universe insanely strong. If they were you would be seeing more of them but you don’t.
When something is actually insanely strong the market gets flooded with it like destro locks or fire mages.
The market is not anywhere close to being flooded with Rets. It’s funny to watch a streamer play one for a week because they got ‘one shot’ once and then get tired quickly when reality sets in.
MM hunter has burst on a very similar level and is ranged. In fact most specs have a burst setup that can ‘one shot’ people. If you haven’t been ‘one shot’ in prepatch pvp then you probably haven’t been playing enough.
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Ret is very hard to multi class as, historically always has been.
Ya pikaboo isn’t good at ret and it’s undergeared. Try watching streamers who main ret. It’s very good.
Not really no.
aware yes. Doesn’t mean ret is anywhere close to bad
I wouldn’t balance based around pre-patch numbers. Retribution’s damage at 60 is still very good from what I’ve seen, but it’s not as dramatic as at 50 with good gear and azerite traits.