If you take the number of DKs and Havocs playing then triple it there’s still more Paladins. 
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10.0.5 wasnt the greatest thing ever but i’d def say i was having fun, 10.0.7 has really sucked the air out of the room with ret being in every single game.
i understand its a full rework but its not exactly gigabrain to slap on some -25% pvp damage modifiers. everyone knows thats the end state so sitting here waiting for the inevitable nerfs is really boring and just rebuilds all the shadowlands apathy
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turbo is the only choice, anything less would be uncivilized
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We’ve gone in hiding back to the dalaran sewers. New apes stronger, and they roam in packs. Apes together strong.
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Ret burst doesn’t all come from wings with it giving 20% crit chance and 20% damage.
The real burst comes from divine toll making judgement deal 100% more dmg. Judgement increasing next holy spender dmg by 25%. Final reckoning increasing damage taken by 25% for 6 seconds. Justicars vengeance doing 50% more dmg when hitting stunned foe. And the breath move (can’t think of name) hitting an additional time.
Don’t get me wrong, wings increases dmg by a solid amount, but it’s not what is destroying people in a stun.
Talk about living in the past.
"You couldn’t cut it on a 15 year old version of the game with RNG resists.*
Btw please ask Dekel to release a new guide to statbugging, since he can’t cut it on retail without exploits. 
It certainly is an interesting pattern.
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He just got good is all. So good his stats doubled. Even the game recognized his excellence.
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Random BGs are no fun anymore because of ret paladins.
You cannot carry orbs or flags if they are in the BG because they now have druid mobility, healer healing and dispel capabilities, and are super tanky. I had one Kotmogu where the ret pally’s team all died but the ret continued to be able to stick to me like glue (even though I am a druid). Oh, and what does not help is the fact that they can kill you in 3 globals even if you aren’t carrying an orb…
Even worse, I joined an in-progress Ashran, which was already Alliance 160 (almost full resources) and Horde already at 90 with the Alliance at the Horde’s gate. I asked what happened, and the answer from everyone was: “They started with 9 ret paladins. 9…”
Edit: Just got in a WG with 11 ret pallies on alliance side and 3 on horde. Guess who overwhelmingly REKT the other without effort?
They are clearly broken and shouldn’t be able to carry BGs on their own. I think tuning them for PvP specifically would make the most sense. And the judgements of the pure nerf with 1 of each type of debuff is still bad. It needs to be remove [whatever] effect(s) every x seconds like some others have already mentioned.
Ah yes because kitty cleave was so much different
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I’d much rather be in a ret pally meta than a rogue or warrior meta when I’m on mm hunter.
Pallies are easy, they come at me with bubble and wings I disengage and aspect of cheetah if they on steed till they wear off. After that kiting then is a joke since freedom can be purged and they just die.
Warriors on the other hand with double charge and leap are much harder to stay alive against. Rogues cloak of shadowing my hunters mark then vanishing along with double shadow step are also much harder.
I always just assumed every warrior liked playing primitive caveman. If they team up with a caster partner in 3s does it make them think they’re not a caveman?
This is in arenas?
Edit: if you think 1600 rss counts as arenas the answer is yes
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This occurred in rated arena?
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On my journey to get the elite sets for all the classes, since leveling is really fast as is gearing. I jumped on the wagon and leveled my ret throughout this week.
So, I finally que’d today for about… 4 hours? Idk, 7 RSS in total. Hit 1800, got the elite set, done and done.
So here’s what I know. However easy you think ret is, times it by 5, then dbl that and then times it by 5 again and that’s how easy it really is.
I had no idea what i was doing, didn’t even bg, just gave myself boxes and jumped right in.
So, yea… maybe nerf ret a little bit?
Anyways, just my 2 cents.
All of your values besides divine toll are wrong btw:
Wings - 15% Dam 15% crit in PvP
Judgment - only 20%
Final reckoning - only 15% in PvP
Justicar’s Vengeance - nerfed to 25% PvE, and only 15% in PvP
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U literally played ret war in sl
I guess kitty and tsg just require a lot more brain power than ret war too
is mud still checking this thread i have something to tell him
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the peasants are rebelling against the upper class.