On pr*vate servers which had a functioning to vanilla like Reckoning talent the meta for most pvp paladins was to spec 25/26/0 and go around healing with a 1h/shield and do their support stuff until they got hunter pet or rogue aggro to build up reck stacks then momentarily switch to a 2H damage proc weapon with lifestealing enchant and Seal of Righteousness which could proc other procs.
https://youtu.be/HxrQnQC5FDs?t=62
This type of forbidden art is probably why Blizzard adjusted Reckoning to their ‘reference’ client.
I mean… if you play it, it really is (isn’t it?) for choosing to play a spec that was “designed wrong.”
Though, I don’t believe in specs in Classic. There are Classes, and talent builds. Some Classes are better suited for some roles in some group content over other Class builds.
But, it’s also probably worth separating the beer league players from the MLB tryouts.
Personally, I am not trying to be the number 1 (whatever my class is) in WoW, player. I’m not trying to make a career out of it. I play it for fun. Very much like a beer league baseball team.
Would I be happy with Boomkins and Shadowpriests in my raid? Absolutely. We actually have both. If the guild I choose to run raids with was Alliance, I’m sure we’d have DPS paladins.
But let’s not pretend that DPSing as a Paladin is a good investment for the individual or the group that supports it. It’s a bit of a douche move by the individual, asking for a group to carry them.
It also doesn’t make clear why someone would choose to handicap themselves.
EDIT:
But, more importantly, why they would assert that handicap over others.
Not at all, but my preference of playing a naked mage and rolling on all gear, because I need it for my DE spec is just as viable as any other meme spec.
That’s a deficit. A BiS Ret Pally doesn’t really stack up to a “not quite” pre-bis DPS Warrior" in terms of dps.
So, sure, a decent comp with 25 players can clear content. Sure, they could carry 15 meme specs, but those meme specs that are also rolling on BiS gear are (in that scenario at least), literally leeches.
How so? Let’s dive into this… because I feel this is a ridiculous claim.
I did.
^ That’s my quote, and it is is direct response to what you said:
To which I replied that those 20 to 30 people were NOT ret paladins.
No. So granted having a Paladin that is taking a DPS role is better (DPS wise) that having nobody.
It isn’t better than having a decent DPS role though, and is worse than nobody for the DPS roles that may lose out to rolls on gear.
1 DPS warrior in blues could maybe compare to 3 DPS paladins in BiS.
This is an interesting point. Butts in seats is the better optimization than performing well.
And, YES! This can definitely be true! Beer league baseball doesn’t really care about winning, but cares about having fun, and being together. Whereas MLB teams care about winning.
We don’t have to disparage MLB teams for not accepting beer league players, and we certainly do not have to disparage beer leagues for not qualifying to face MLB teams.
What is the point of contention? I’m suggesting that a DPS paladin is a waste of gear and a spot in a raid, over another class that could do a better job in that DPS spot, particularly a warrior.
Hmm…
We could maybe set some criteria (rules) and analyze data…
