Shattering throw.
Just nerf WoG healing slightly and maybe slightly reduce some damage from certain abilities (TV, Ashes or Judgement). Imo I think the self healing nerf would be sufficient enough. That’s it. Rets don’t need to be nerf hammered into non existence again.
what ret needs is a redesign
nobody who genuinely likes ret is a fan of these gimmicky stack a bunch of modifiers to 1 shot someone once a minute builds blizzard keeps pigeonholing us into
I agree but there’s no way they will do a class redesign unless it comes with an xpac launch.
100% this.
Rets have been wanting to have actual issues addressed but instead Blizz has just slapped big number bandaids on the class.
The problem with that is when people cry about the numbers, and the rets lose those numbers putting them back into the C tier with no recourse.
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ya it’s just wishful thinking i don’t see this iteration of ret going anywhere
legion destroyed so many spec’s identities
at this point i just want exorcism and old judge sound/animation back so i can at least play with my class with the sounds on
Two 5 min cd’s, where you can dispell one and MD the other my man. Vengence shield can barely stop one global of damage in this meta; That’s basically it outside of the healing for our defensives…and for that you have mind games. In addition to that lay on hands can’t even be used in rated. Its actually really easy to make a ret flop over.
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This is exactly where all of our problems from BFA to now stemmed from…freakin Legion.
Class identity? What’s that :> We just want class fantasy amiright?
can’t post pictures here, but saw a ret hit a 28.5k WOG in arena 
With CD’s, only see that happening when wings are up.
We will see this coming tuesday buddy 
i mean i have multiple rogue friends who say ret is about equal to sub rn, all of which have more experience than you so idk
this man trying to hype up pressing blades and convoke, jesus LMAO
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Same thing with rogues though. More complaints from 1500 players than higher rated players, but they still got nerfed. “A little overtuned” is a big understatement. They need more than just a 25% nerf to wog.
Not really no.
Wog could use a 20% nerf, and ringing clarity needs to be gutted. Everything else is kinda fine.
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I mean the off healing of hybrid specs in this game is disgusting and needs to be gutted. Supplementing some healing here and there is fine but I am doing like 75% of my healers healing on my enhance shaman and ret pallies and prot pallies are regularly WoGing for more than holy paladins. It’s disgusting and needs to end.
This off healing is a priority over the broken damage some classes are still doing. Ret, WW(coming from WW main), and arms need to be tuned down a bit and WoGs need to be completely reworked. They either need a 10 second cooldown, only be self cast, or have their healing cut in half.
Honestly this cleave meta where everyone just runs @ each other and presses every button is so insanely boring and brain dead idk what to say.
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Ret Paladins are just as bad as warrior’s and ww monks. All broken as hell.
ur ugly lol
I wouldn’t mind rets damage tbh but when they can heal as much as a healer and have 3 lives you have to go through it gets to be a little much. They’re too strong in every area except mobility and need to be toned down mostly in their self healing imo. I don’t expect too much to happen tho as it is blizzard and their idea of class balance is laughable.