I think it’s going to feel a lot better next week. That being said, we are in need of some new, fun, and creative PvP talents, cause our current selection is pretty lame.
Also the wings proc PvP talent was what made 2 minute crusade such a powerful cd (against some crit heavy classes I’d have a ten stack crusade for around 34 seconds), so now we’re practically locked into the wake of ashes proc wings.
You will be a rep bot and you will like it!
Big buffs incoming, will probably feel a lot better with the wings/divine protection negative modifier tweak and 20% final verdict buff.
st dam will still be really weak after buffs
st rotation hits for nothing but autocleaves 40 yds in all directions so your dps looks decent, ret can’t finish off anything that has a single hot on it, anything can kite it when it needs to unless bubble
because it has cracked utility but junk st dam, it’s really limited in comp choice, and is complete junk in most of the bizarre bs you get in shuffle
(I alt ret and this has been a copium post)
I just want MORE STAM, MOBILITY, AND HEALING! damage is fine but is that really the only issue? lol
Ive posted this before on the paladin forums.
Hammer of wrath needs to be removed from all procs (final verdict, endless wrath, blessing of anshe, and even avenging wrath maybe) and go back to a pure execute ability. It deals no damage even with vengeful wrath AND vanguards momentum (500k damage for an execute roflmaoa). Hammer of wrath is just too available. Pull back on its procs and buff its pure execute damage.
Maybe make it interact with other parts of the kit like arm’s executioners presition.
Don’t think that’s true. Have only played a little bit of shuffle and haven’t seen many rets, but in BGB they definitely have a place as base sitter and off carts and are really good at it. They’re also good in helping your fc cross the map and literally so many things to name them all.
Yes, we’re basically a utility bot, blessing for you, for you, and for you.
That’s the role of a ret tho. It always has been. Why play your spec if you don’t like the play style? If you want to do more damage and less utility you’re better off playing a warrior.
If you think being stuck base sitting and giving out blessings is peak ret gameplay, congrats, you’ve unlocked the Walmart version of paladin fantasy.
I don’t understand that. For me, I don’t mind base sitting because that can often turn into a 1v1 with a rogue and it’s a crucial role that someone has to do. It would be like a goalie complaining about having to defend the goal post.
Everyone has a role to play and yours is incredibly important because if you mess it up you could lose the game for your team.
About 90% of Rets should just be DKs or Warriors lmao 
It does like 1 mil average in execute range. And can hit for 3 mil with anshe.
People say this, but the only time it’s true is when ret is terrible.
Also if blizzard wanted to balances classes damage based on their kit why does feral and rogue do amazing damage, while having the best cc in the game and an ms. Why do specs with ms still do more damage than those without? Not really a good excuse nowadays to not have good damage because you have utility.
Oh no, I’m not complaining about base sitting, I actually enjoy those smaller skirmishes. Ret usually comes out on top in 1v1s thanks to our walls and toolkit (unless it’s against a mage rip). I’m just saying there’s more to the spec than handing out blessings or sitting a node. We can do more, and it’s frustrating when the current meta doesn’t let us lean into that full potential.
Nah, I like my melee with wings, sparkles, and being my own built-in special effects machine. If I wanted to be a rage machine or an edgelord, I’d have rerolled already. My eyes need those special effects when I zugzug.
Yeah, TONs of solid buffs. With meta changes all around, seems like hpriest rmp will be strong, which in turn is gonna make rdruid cupid feel absolutely nutty.
Once again ret+bm gonna be S tier
Ret having one comp where it thrives because it can enable a BM to pve = call it good?
IMO: Nerf bm to the ground. Make ret actually deal damage.
Yeah.
Not just that, it all matters what else is meta. Ret is REALLY good into stuff like rmp currently the best comp) as well as stuff like boomy+rogue/dh (boomy got some buffs and nerfs) because its functionally ranged and has amazing utility for those MUs specifically.
It just got 5% damage on wings, 20% on fv, 20% on boj, and 5% on wall? Like, it’s not gonna be 1shotting like how it used to, but it got buffed more than any other class! These are some solid buffs, no?