Yeah it was a joke, I need to work on my posting sarcasm.
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No one here has said that, youâre also really overplaying how it is now compared to 2004-2006.
Most casual guilds donât give a s**t one guy playing a sub-par DPS spec compared to the Pure DPS boiâs is hardly gonna be a factor in MC let alone BWL where Spelladin is getting most of their gear in the first place.
The real struggle starts at AQ40 if a casual guild getâs that far which eventually they will.
The struggle of raiding back then wasnât minmaxing DPS etc it was getting 40 people to show up 100% of the time and to not stand in the obvious thing that will kill you oh and slow PCâs.
A dedicated Ret DPS who has a show-up time all the time does well to provide guild morale and generally understands wtf he is doing weâll be perfectly fine in a Casual raiding guild.
I wonât comment on Hardcore I was never a hardcore raider and never will be.
Even hardcore raiders back in the day ran with hybrid dps.
Sure looks like that was the initial question to me. Also seems like you took my statement out of context.
Eh, I disagree because I believe the mentality has shifted since then and people will be far less inclined to take Ret Paladins now based on sub-par damage. I could be wrong, but Iâm not putting my faith in people being more accepting today than they were back then.
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Its all well and good to play ret if you want to, just stay away from my holy gear. Seriously, you go fight all the fury warriors for loot, the healing stuff is mine.
Of all the rets you mention Esfand lol the ret that got carried by popularity. And maxed out at about 700 dps in naxxaramas while the warriors and rogues were doubling his dps. He doesnât use nightfall which is a huge boost to raid DPS.
Anyways on topic, thereâs a lot of theorycrafting going around testing a spellpower setup that is doing quite a lot of dps 1000+ along with giving you more mana to do other support stuff. Basically just stack spell power, while using seal of righteousness and the level 30 weapon Manuel crowd pummeler and a ton of consumables. With this setup the full T2 set is actually amazing and maybe best in slot even through all of naxxaramas.
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Heâs low priority for any plate gear in MC and I doubt itâll bother him too much, or I so presume if he does go Spelladin by BWL he literally is competing with no one besides Holy pallyâs over one piece of Judgement gear, the rest is his considering their are far better slotâs for healing gear than judgement for pallys
It completely depends on your guild. Are rets viable in dungeons? Yes, no problem. Less dps in a 5man is nothing to the utility of blessings, auras, etc.
Are rets viable in raids - potentially. If youâre in a server-first prog guild, likely not, but if youâre with people who just want to have fun and see content, you can probably find a spot. There likely wouldnât be more than one ret spot even then, though.
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back in vanilla, we had a ret pally that was one of the most amazing pallies i ever played with, and it wasnt because of his dps numbers.
it was because he actually played as a true hybrid.
not quite sure on his exact spec but he would dps and keep whatever judgement we wanted him to keep up and he would be an oh crap heal when needed or just strap on healing gear and heal when we needed the healer on fights like shaz and gheddon in mc.
on fights like garr or other fights like it he would strap on a shield and help ot if one of our offtanks were not in the mood or just werent there for the night.
he did it all . funny thing is our feral/resto druid did the same.
it was a pleasure running with them cause they did what was needed at the time.
people shouldnt pigeonhole themselves into a role especially when they are able to fill multiple roles.
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Esfand is all well and good, but if you watch his meters when grouped up with Asmongoldâs warrior, he is always second or lower on DPS
you dont have to be first on 1 of the meters to affect the group the most in terms of their performance the most.
Whatâs a âRet Paladinâ???
Seriously though. You wonât be raiding as Retribution. (unless your guild is already max geared and is clearing Rag for the lulz and you get lucky and they drag you along cuz they really only need 39 people and youâre just fun to be aroundâŠ)
Being 1st on the DPS meant jack in Vanilla Dungeons or Raids tbh if you somehow do it you are either outperforming the pure DPS which in Raids isnât a good thing unless you are clearly overgeared.
90% of the time 1 or even 2 Ret pallies was not gonna really hurt DPS any and Ret pallies will be rare as hell in the first place as you gotta dedicate yourself to being one while also hybriding aka healing when you are asked to heal or Offtanking Gaar if you someone asks (Not difficult at all.)
We didnt allow any in our Nax/aq40 guild. Even back then no serious guild really took any. Yes you could carry a few scrubs but why make it harder on yourself. Ret is like the most boring dps on top of that you basically just really slowly auto attack.
We did however allow a prot pally for one specific part of AQ 40
If you want to dps go warrior, rogue, mage, lock or hunter. Not sure why this concept is so hard if youâre wanting to raid beyond MC. If you donât then it doesnât matter
As fortold the naysayers have shown up.
Um⊠so a hybrid dps is not as strong as a pure dps, but is in second? Did I get that correctly? So essentially you agree with me. Being second is nothing shameful
In a dungeon at level 30 is nothing really incredible.
Hi, ret paladin here for 15 yearsâŠ
Go ahead and tell me about ret paladins and raiding in classicâŠ
/popcorn
I was replying to someone that simply said âResearch Esfand. Nuff said.â Esfand may do well, but ret paladins are lack luster in Vanilla at best. High burst damage comes from holy specâd shockadins.
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Yea, I guess being second means your nothing more than dead weight. I bow to your superiority.
Rets are useless trash. May as well try and heal as a rogue right
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