What’s this retail kid jabbering about?
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Akaidian? He is part of the WoW skinhead elitist movement that decides how people should play while pretending to be hardcore, but not really because he doesn’t spend enough time in game stocking up for the raid or farming gold for the guild or retracing fights in his head over and over because humans are fallible creatures. He was also on Pservers apparently where they purposely made the raids more difficult which forced this kind of attitude down everyone’s throats because people are stupid.
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SoR base damage will scale with delay.
SoR damage from +dmg is a static value and faster is better.
SoR coefficient with a 1h is 10%
SoR coefficient with a 2h is 12.5%
Rets scale just fine. They scale like Warriors do, and DPS Warrior gear exists all the way through to Naxx…as set gear is tanking gear for Warriors.
Ret Paladins are viable in 40 mans, but not for the reasons that most list.
Since Rets pursue Precision in the Prot Tree they pick up Imp Dev along the way. In a raid they will be in the tank group granting 921 AC from Dev to every tank in the raid…that is a massive boost in AC.
They will also maintain JoW and not JotC while dps’ing. The raid wide boost from ranged dps from the increase mana regen is quite appreciable.
For those saying that a Holy Paladin can do the same…not really. Being within 10 yards on mobile fights, having to run out of PBAE’s when you should be healing, or trying to recast JoW at 600 to 700 mana per minute while maintaining phase transitions and damage spikes is hard to juggle.
Rets sacrifice personal DPS in terms of Sanc Aura and JotC to grant raid wide utility and also bring Imp BOM to the mix.
They are worth their slot in a 40 man if you use them effectively. If you don’t then probably not.
Tip: Use Rank1 SoC and judge it every 8 seconds to proc Vengeance and not empty your mana pool. Without Sanct and JotC you need to maintain Vengeance uptime, and JoC boosts that by 50%…and Rank 1 allows you to maintain it.
ya sounds good but get rid of one of those druid healers and the ret paladins and replace them all with real dps and you will kill stuff allot faster. You can probably get rid of one of those priest as well. You are way lopsided on healing.
Well it wasnt because of their damage it was more because of their ability to survive in pvp. Its the same for holy paladins. Both are just really annoying to fight cause they can soak so much damage and dispel almost everything you put on them. Their dps isnt that great ret a little better than holy. I mean in the same amount of time it would take to kill a paladin you can kill 4 to 5 other people. Paladins are just a wast of time to fight.
This isn’t D&D. The healing you toss out in those “oh ship” situations is meaningless. Cleansing raid debuffs 5 seconds faster than they would have been without you doing them is meaningless.
What about “the most efficient way to kill something is to ignore as many mechanics as possible and pump as much DPS as possible” don’t you get?
“But it’s not about the most efficient!”
-Every raid that progresses nothing ever
The game can be boiled down to hard numbers at every turn and it should. “Intangibles” is what bad players tell themselves when they don’t deliver the actual performance needed. Raids are planned dance routines to be executed like a machine. The closer to perfect the better and the more admirable.
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You would never waste resources on making a Nightfall for a ret paladin; they’re best in the hands of OT warriors that can spam Hamstring to proc it.
nope, sorry friend - unlike you, we actually ran the numbers…
Thank you some had to say it
Just a hater admit it
SoR is more consistent. You need to rely on procs for Command. The burst is wonderful, but I’ve gone stretches where I’d get almost no procs, and killing stuff took forever. If you’re not amped on burst damage, just use SoR. But, that’s just my opinion.
don’t necro a nearly 3 year old post. ret paladins are not viable in SoM. even wiht wisdom judged and full consumes you do not have the mana to be able to judge on cooldown for the length of any of the new fights
I didn’t look at the date. Somehow, it popped up, so I replied.
Regardless - ret is really fun.
look at warcraftlogs and see what the top guilds were doing in p1 under the no world buffs tab
Ret was not viable in classic and is def not viable in SoM. Rets in classic were just carried by their raid.
Yeah, ret is trash.
Ret > most things.
As long as you can buff. Your cool in my book
Lol, everyone gets salve.
Based on what I’ve read, Nightfall isn’t even good.