Ret does some of the best burst damage in pvp (If we can get close enough) and so buffing raw damage might be too strong.
As we get towards the end of phase 1 it’s clear that rets are still bottom tier melee dps. People still laugh at us and call us a dps meme. We’ve already been given most of our tool kit, and so other classes will continue to get stronger as the phases progress but we will stay relatively the same.
The big problem is that if we even use our abilities, we instantly go oom and end up auto attacking and only using crusader strike the second half of every boss fight. If we could actually use our abilities we would be somewhat competitive but still bottom melee dps. Having mana would allow us to actually off heal and be the hybrid class we were designed to be. Right now its so impractical to ever off heal in pvp or pve bc it just eats up your whole mana bar with one cast.
SOLUTION: Buff crusader strike to 5% mana return. Won’t make us any more bursty but will allow us to do better sustain and stay relatively competitive. (Not really but still)
I’ve not had this problem yet. Just cleared BFD in under 30min and was top DPS overall. Some fights I was middle of the pack, others I was top. This has pretty much been my experience every raid I’ve run.
Are super sweaty rogues and warriors going to beat us? Sure, and they should. Not only am I dealing good DPS I’m also healing via dps, boping and bofing. Paladins are disgusting in their current state, crying for buffs is just insulting to the classes/specs that are legitimately being neglected.
There might be another solution coming up in Phase 2 also, as Holy Paladins become better and better healers…
10 seconds of immunity to spam heals seems like a great amount of time to heal the assault team while overtaking a node in Arathi Basin, and it’s off CD every 5 minutes, which is also a great amount of time to secure the node, mana up, and move to the next node.
This thread right here is why everybody hates and memes on paladins. Probably one of the most balanced classes in a very good spot, and on the forums begging for buffs ridiculous
I’m pretty happy with where Ret is right now tbh. Feel free to look at my logs on this character though I know I’m nothing special. Just purple parses and w/e.
Still Ret feels like it’s in a pretty solid spot right now and I’m currently quite excited to see what they have for us in Phase 2.
Now this is interesting. I don’t personally put much stock in logs myself usually. But since you said this I figured you were like, top 100 ret parsing or something so I went ahead and looked you up.
Somehow despite you having better gear than me, I’m parsing better than you by 10 entire points and 5000 ranks.
I’m not usually one to be elitist or anything, I actually prefer PvP to PvE most of the time… but uh, do you think this might actually be a YOU problem? If you’re not even breaking the top ten thousand Ret Paladins for parsing while having the epic 2her sword, can you really be going around begging for buffs and asking people to ‘let you see their logs’?
I get where you’re coming from… I think. When you say “balanced” you mean purely from the point of view of damage to bosses on Warcraft Logs, yeah?
I was thinking, it would be funny if balance meant running through Ashenvale and aggro’ing mobs. I find I actually die fairly often on my warrior, because if I have no rage, and try to run past a couple mobs, get knocked off my mount, and have aggro it’s just not a good time.
On my hunter though, I can alt-tab, autorun be at half-health, tab back in with 6 mobs aggroed and have no problem.
Not to belittle your skill in playing, but I think there’s an amount to be said for the average DPS output of the rest of the raid team also, and it seems like on average, you are playing with higher performers, and as such downing bosses a little faster, which has a positive impact on your logs.
I could also be wrong about that, or about how much of an impact that has, but that’s my takeaway at a glance.
In all seriousness, this is why I dislike threads like this one. I know you’re just being tongue-in-cheek, but Ret is in such a good place right now that any attention put our direction feels like a bad thing. Really don’t want devs to take a serious look at us to see whether we need buffs or nerfs and then decide we need nerfs lmao.
Nah you’re probably right, like I said I don’t put much stock in logs and parses to begin with, and an extension of that is I don’t know diddly squat about logs or parsing either.
All I know is that for having the gear he has, his numbers sure are a lot worse than mine, lmao.
I don’t log, but feel free to look at all the other paladins on raid logs. We are on the low end of melee DPS, but still beating pure caster DPS. And as I said, we are also healing and providing insanely powerful utility and buffs.
We also have a much lower barrier to entry. We get a powerful weapon fairly easily that allows us to start raiding at a pretty high level. Warriors on the other hand start out insanely weak and don’t hit those top DPS levels until they are pretty much bis geared.
Paladins are fine. If you want buffs, play a warrior. I’d rather not give up all of our insanely powerful utility, which is what they would need to do to balance us if they gave us rogue level DPS.
I just got the sword last run calm down we have the same gear. I also form my own pugs every 3 days and am more focused on dishing out loot than doing top dps. Always get killed trying to get into dungeon so have never even had buff.
My point for checking his logs was because he said there wasn’t a problem and ret was doing great but 100% you and him (and me) have very average logs. Just like ret does in general.
the point is that my focus in raids has been forming pugs that will clear and not min maxing my dps. My purpose of checking his logs wasn’t to ridicule him and flex about my own skill. Anyone that knows me on chaos bolt knows I am good ret
