Mine seems to be in the low 20k. I’ve looked online for my spec and I think that is a bit low for someone in my gear. Wings helps a ton and I can go up to upper 30s with wings but once that wears off it drops considerably.
If anyone wants to provide some insight I’d appreciate it. If not, no problem, I’ll continue looking things over on the web.
Ret isn’t scaling well and is in the lower tiers for single target damage, it isn’t just you, they aren’t good unless you’re geared to outer space and even then another class would be less of a burden to the group.
I wouldn’t really consider retribution a burden to a group. I’ve been doing Mythic+ and raids since BFA started with that spec among others.
It’s true at the moment single target isn’t as high as some other classes. And in raiding that’s especially true but you can still pull around 20-25 pretty easily even without crazy gear when Templars procs as much as it does right now.
In Mythic+ however they’re very strong when it comes to multi target fighting since the Divine Storm buff along with Wake of Ashes.
I don’t see any fights logged for you, I’d really recommend looking up how to log your fights. It is the best way to improve yourself. And also sim sim sim sim yourself, sim stat weights and talent/gear compare.
20 - 25k is very low. That is the problem with the spec. A decently geared Ret will pull 20 - 25k where another class 5 - 10 ilvls lower will pull 30k - 35k. Equally geared/ilvl classes are pulling 40k+.
Holy Paladins, the healing spec, is pulling 20k dps.
Ret is a burden this tier. No benefit to them. Its nice if you are in a Guild and they are willing to take you through Normal and Heroic but the spec is no benefit at all to the group.
you guys all know nothing about pve or your intentionally misleading op but I’m going to assume your just ignorant. Even the top 2 guilds in the world bring a Ret because of how valuable they are to prog. More then just Limit /method but their great examples. They have one of the highest burst in the game , when someone dies on a fight the ret is doing the most damage in group for 10 seconds. And their utility on top of that. Theirs a reason all the top end guilds run 1. You have a limited amount to melee you can bring to a raid to min max. Ret is one of the melee you want. The lack of pve experience here commenting is hilarious. I reccomened joining the pally discord OP they can help you improve. This tier dps is all about having the right corruption affixes.
@op at first glance I can tell you your Essences are incorrect for single target and Aoe. Lucid major is by far the best atm. I reccomend using raidbots website to sim yourself and statweights to know what you should be enchanting /gemming as with ret it changes a lot.
Your Talents is OK, But what i can suggest you stack 3x Light’s Decree. Light’s Decree helps you pulling huge number on Aoe fight and it’s damage on Single Fight isn’t Bad. If you use a lot Crit+haste gear use Expurgation traits.Get Vision of Perfection Neck Essence ( Paladin’s Biggest DPS booster, according to bloodmallet). Your Most gear has Crit+Haste. I would suggest Haste+Versatility. But you better sim in Raidbots. com and check yourself. Try with DP talents in M+ and Inq in Raids.
None of the top guilds are using Ret this tier in their lineup, nor did they last tier. Ret has no where near the burst of any other melee class and not the highest in the game. Unless the rest of the Raid is afk they are not doing the most damage.
But you are correct the OP should join us in the Paladin Discord so he can read the same thing we have told him here.
you have no idea what your talking about tarkas watch limits streams their using lipp right now for every fight so far. Lipp also got top 3 dps on a pure single targetr fight. ttv lipperino is the rets stream. You literally know nothing about top guilds. They have used him all tiers this ex pansion he played his spriest on zaqul. Stop making up crap and learn the game. the people in this thread know nothing ignore them op. The only reason they wouldnt run him is fights other people need gear and he doesnt or possibly high mobility fights.
Hit up the ret discord and utilize skeletor’s site. I’d also suggest simming as well.
So i checked the M+15 logs of Ret Paladin. Most is running 1x Expurgation, 1x Empyrian, 2x or 3x Lights Decree and Vision of Perfection as Essence. Talent Build are standard.
Narcolies - Method
Where and how do you log your fights?
He’s on prot on a lot of fights no?
Just posted this, hope it helps:
Overall State of Ret: Retribution is currently safely nested right in the middle of the pack regarding DPS and scaling. From S Tier to Fail tier, we’re right in the middle of that Skada report. THIS IS A GOOD THING! Many classes teeter between god tier and trash tier, and it’s really depressing (think fire mage, literal trash for multiple expansions, then amazing, then trash). Being C tier allows you to put in the work to push ahead and always be competitive. Even though I’m C tier, I’m beating S-tier classes because I know the fights, sim my gears, and put in that effort for BiS items. Actually just got a 98% legendary parse and first DPS last night on Skitra (wish I could post links…)
Method has a ret paladin, and he came in 7th of 14th place. If you’re good enough, you can even hang with the pros!
8.3 Pro-tips : I wanted to share a few quick words of advice if you’re trying to get better.
The TL;DR I’m reading shows the following:
Rotation: Our rotation is a mess of procs and constant changing priorities. Do yourself a favor and download the Hekili addon. Consider it training wheels that you should learn from. It’s an addon that prioritizes for you. It’s like, 90% accurate.
Uptime: Knowing the fight can raise your dps better than any corruption gear. Know the phases, and start to actually think about when you pop those wings. (ex: popping wings into a phase where the boss is immune because you’re a filthy casual like me).
Sims aren’t the whole picture : Sims are amazing to show you the progress your character is making. I’m currently at 55.9k Patchwerk dps and climbing, and it’s awesome for that. BUT. If complicating your rotation with one you’re not comfortable with is the outcome, your top dps sims can bone your DPS. For example, if condensed life ever sims #1, I ignore it, simply because I don’t know the opener well.
TL;DR. Middle of the pack sucks, but with a lot of work and intelligence you can surpass players that are higher tier but not playing smart. Ret is definitely not scaling amazingly, but there’s enough potential to lock in a raid-spot.
no hes ret and hes topping
Well to be honest during hc yesterday I realized that somehow i’m really competitive with the other players in my guild dps wise. Not sure what happened cause ret didnt get a single change neither did dh.
And its true that high aoe helps ret
even lip on a single target fight like the dog was top 3 in limit in mythic. The main reason people think rets bad is because not everyone is good at min maxing properly. Its not faceroll like dh/dk min maxing.
Kinda crazy just to think of ret being top 3. But most of it is due to the retribution passive I believe.
What helps the most is obviously not needing to move a lot in this raid, because that’s being a burden this whole expansion.
they top charts without passive. The passive though is part of the reason rets so good in raid. Whenever someone dies rets doing the most damage for 10 seconds basically.