Hey All! I hope you’re staying healthy and sane these days.
My brother and I are looking to get back into WoW Retail, and were wondering what healer goes best with a Ret paladin for 2v2.
We likely wouldn’t be aiming for any rating higher than 2k. I currently have a Disc Priest and MW monk that I boosted to 120.
(We would also play a bunch of random bgs, so anything those two healers exceed with there would be a plus too.)
I appreciate any advice!
Prot Pally would be fun. Also good for those random BGs 
My brother is pretty hard set on playing ret. 
It was hard to convince him to play, so I’m being the nicer big brother by choosing a healer for 2s. haha
Just not sure what would be better/more fun disc priest or mw monk? I haven’t really played since legion
Ret is really strong so he should have fun.
I have no advice for healers… I just play Prot and now I play Prot Pal so was just giving you a free bump.
best healer for ret is disc priest but good priests are hard to find…
Disc and Holy are both good and probably better than MW in that comp, but no reason you wouldn’t be able to get 2k as mw/ret either.
Got 2.1 as ret mw
Ret/disc and ret rdruid are the strongest 2s comps though.
Disc just dump a lot of damage and dark archangel with wings is really scary damage.
The disc need 20% + versatility to be even playable though.
Rdruid just create huge annoyance with clone, roots and have an easy time getting drinks and ironbark is pretty good for ret, they’re also good to get hoj into bash kinda set up on kill target. They also deal some good damage.
This all super helpful! Really appreciate the advice.
Didn’t realize that Disc priest was super gear dependent. Not sure how long it takes to get that level of versatility.
Is disc or mw better in mythic+ ?
both are perfectly fine for mythic plus if you want to push rank 1 different story but anything 15-20 is fine for both.
That is such terrible music. Who was his editor.
not everyone likes the same music lol thats fine. idk but im pretty sure it was used because its copyright free so they dont demonetize the video
That’s awesome! Are they both good in rated/random bgs too? Kind of leaning priest because they seem to have a lot of utility, but mw monk seems fun with it’s mobility and strong single target heals.
In theory ret disc is suposed to be the best choice for 2s BUT the disc needs to be really good or he’ll die to dhs and rogues within 1 minute even if you bop them.
Alliance lfg discs especially, they seem to play on a 90 second death timer, on the other hand rdruid is a lot more versatile.
Personally I’d suggest ret rdruid but like it has been said, ret disc is theoretically the best one.
Ret mw will be the best option for you right now, fairly easy to play and MW toolkit right now is way better for ret comps than disc right now. Incap and sweep to setup some kill windows for the ret as well as Ring of Peace are better than anything the disc brings. Life cocoon being on such a short cd as well will always make your ret a hard target to kill as long as you rotate your cds correctly.
Double ret it up man. That crap is scary and sooo much fun to play. Just run in and stagger your bursts and hoj. Ret burst is nuts.
If you both offheal and support each other, you could prolly make it 1800+ without much effort. 
Either can work, Disc can have some really good damage. The main thing is I find it much easier to just tunnel a Disc Priest everytime I see them and kill them. This can probably be combated with good peeling by your partner or just good play by the healer. That said MW is nigh untouchable. I’d recommend just trying out both and seeing what you like as they are both very viable.
MW is the best RBG healer, disc is probably second best.
For random BGs if you’re a good healer you’re pretty immortal, it just kind of depends on what you value. MW is going to be harder to kill most of the time and will usually provide more healing output before they run oom but disc is definitely my favorite healer to do BGs on because it can do so much damage - I normally end up top 3 in damage and can legitimately burst people down with schism combos and concentrated flames.
In M+ MW is easier to execute especially if your group is bad, but Disc can hold their own most weeks. Unless you’re planning on pushing really high keys it doesn’t really matter.
While disc certainly relies more on gear than other healers, I don’t agree that’s to the extent as some of the other posters… sort of… The versatility number doesn’t need to be 20%. 13-15% is plenty for 2k. That numbers pretty easy to get if you’re willing to pick up tailoring and/or jewelcrafting.
The more important gear is going to be getting triple shadow mend traits (which sucks, but 460 azerite gear is fine so shouldn’t be too bad once you get some residuum rolling in) and the Reviatlizing Voodoo Totem from Atal’dazar. Forbidden Obsidian Claw is also really good because it covers some of the mana weaknesses (Only RDruid goes oom faster most of the time) and assists with doing those damage windows where disc shines. Mend traits are massive because they help with your mana efficiency a lot if you play well and allows you to top people here disc can struggle. Voodoo Totem is basically the same thing, disc lacks a healing output CD so that trinket covers you there. Not having those things makes the gameplay a little bit awkward where you have to dedicate more time to do shadowmends which means you put out less damage and oom more quickly.
Biggest thing as disc in 2s is just learning when you’re safe to heal yourself via atonement and leave hp low so you can let mend stacks carry you and keep damage rolling. Just takes some games played to get a feel for it.
To me MW seems a lot more straightforward to play but exerts less control over the game.
you’re a far better player than me garbage so don’t take this as disrespect but ret/mw is literally the worst ret/healer comp by far. sure mw is the best healer atm but the synergy between the two specs is awful. many ret comps require you to play rep and rep makes incap useless unless you’re using it to cover a dps to land a rep, but that’s still a pretty big waste. song is okay i guess for longer cc chains but having to lose rop sucks cuz that’s one of the few abilities mw has to assist ret with uptime. disc/hpal/rdruid are all far superior for ret. disc/rdruid gives you 3 drs if you play rep which gives sick cc chains, both have good consistent damage output if your rdruid is aggressive which helps keep pressure up while wings are down. mc and clone are great tools for stalling out drs or assisting with uptime by mcing targets in to bad positions/etc if crane was still good then mw/ret would be pretty good, but mw’s lack of offensive pressure is a pretty big deal atm at least for ret. the consistent damage that disc brings + fear/mc are all far more valuable than the high hps that mws have, at least for ret. hpriest is even better for ret than mw, i’ve seen a lot of games of pika playing with zen as holy and it actually worked surprisingly well
just so my claims have some merit pika has also said on stream that mw is by far the worst healer for ret, so much so that he was visibly struggling at 2.2-2.3 mmr playing with glad xp mws whereas with disc/rdruid they win the games in minutes
Did he say MW worst healer for ret in just 2s or 3s as well. Seems strange to me but I haven’t played with a ret for 2 seasons now however I also rarely 2s but for some reason if I were going to do some 2s I don’t see myself playing my disc. Ret always felt like the spec that didn’t really need help setting up kills since usually my Ret would hoj a dps if I could land CC on the healer and just try to kill in the hoj window. But yea I guess disc wouldn’t be as bad in 2s but its hard for me to see it as I rarely q that bracket.
ya it was just 2s, i think for 3s mw would for sure be the best esp if you’re playing something like arms/ret. but he plays scooby doo in 3s with an hpal so he probably doesn’t have too much knowledge on meta ret 3s healers outside of that