We went 22-7, was literally the easiest rating I’ve ever gotten in my entire time playing this game. Ret is more than fine everyone.
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Double Ret 2’s?
Yes.
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Tell us how fine ret is at 2700+ cr. Then you’ll really see how “fine” ret is.
I mean the discussion was never about how it plays at Glad+ range, just about what can be done without having to spec into ES/Inq like in 8.0 and about all the people saying that ret is literally dead now because of it. Which is, let’s be frank, the issue with the large majority of the people on this forum, including myself.
Also been talking on the pally discord, consensus seems to be that its fine or that sustain damage is up. The problems rets have are the same ones we’ve always had except we’re not relying on a burst kill window to win games now.
Oh, and also a little scuffle about someone thinks getting Duelist this day and age is an accomplishment. It really isn’t anymore.
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Getting duelist is my personal accomplishment and my sense of measurement of the current rating quote
That being said I started playing this game in the beginning of this year and started pvping during Legion se7 for the first time ever.
I missed understood Some of the stuff you said before I jumped in and comment so thanks for clarifying.
I’m not an old timer like everyone else and I’m certainly going to be in glad range hopefully as soon as I figure it out more and play a lot more games with consistent partners
I am experiencing my first nerf and I am also learning to read patch notes and what this can mean to affect my class. So yeah I have no idea who you are. I also didn’t know how to not get nerf lol if that makes any sense. (Maybe by posting on forums so bliz can see is my assumption)
I took the hostility when you make it sound like it’s okay and all dandy. So I guess I’ll let you old birds figure it out for me, and take the R1 later.
So thanks, as everything is clarified and I’m going to tune in for more updates and see what everyone think we should be running.
-Zelo
The nerf got reverted or canceled…cry babies!
Sure Duelist 2.1 this season doesn’t mean anything, but if I’d take almost all wows life spam to get 2.4 in legion, then I’d quit the game right then and there rofl.
I’m on the up and coming, I’ll make sure you respect that.
All good. Good news though, after testing a few things and talking with a few people over on the ret discord and seeing what they’re doing, looks like paladin actually has a lot of options in terms of talents and stat weights. Some of which are ES/Crusader for high burst, RV/Inq for long sustainable fights, then there’s Avengelyne’s guide saying to go Zeal/HoW/Inq. Same thing applies with traits, most consensus is that you want 1xLD then rest depends on what you’re running.
Some people are wanting to run stuff like ret/mage/x to keep targets slowed to have high uptime, same with vanguards cleave. I’m personally gonna try doing double ret/hpally again due to synergy between friends I play with.
End of the day, just sounds like ret has more options in terms of builds now, playstyles, and comps. Although comps in BfA haven’t example been too bad and not being forced into PHP/Cupid.
EDIT: But yeah personal achievements should absolutely be the main reason anybody should be doing anything, no matter how big or small it is in the grand scheme of things, just as long as its important to you that’s all that matters.
Just as long as you’re trying to try to downplay people and title/rating bash someone because of it, then its all good.
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This was the most “mic drop” worthy post I’ve read in a very long time.
For those casual ppl running 2v2 low ratings: ive been able to have a lot of success with lights decree and crusade along with hammer of reckoning against double melee or in some cases caster(like lock) + melee, make sure to bless urself and partner. Having that 30sec wings + 6sec reckoning feels nice. I think im going to talent crusade a lot more now for pvp.
Very nice discussion here and im no gladiator but just looking at talents and az talents there seems to be many more options for ret builds in 8.1 unlike legion
Reckoning is 12 seconds with Crusade btw.
Seems like some pretty hefty nerfs to our burst, but some increase to our sustain damage and cleave. Some people have left some insightful comments about potential builds with the new traits and I wanted to share a few things.
I found that auto attacks do not proc Empyrean Power at all, only active abilities do. So if you were planning to run Zeal for that purpose, I’m sorry to burst your bubble. However, Zeal will give more auto attacks and more chances to reset your Blade of Justice, so I guess indirectly it is still increasing the overall number of Empyrean procs you get due to more active abilities being used. I haven’t yet tested the number of procs to see if it’s a big enough increase to give up Righteous Verdict or Execution Sentence. I’m not a big number cruncher, so maybe someone else will do the maffs ![:smiley:](https://d38bqls1q93fod.cloudfront.net/en/wow/images/emoji/twitter/smiley.png?v=6" ":smiley:")
I’ve also found that if you are running Crusade, the Empyrean Power Divine Storms used during Crusade will not add to your Crusade stacks. So you might want to hold onto your proc until you have spent holy power through TV to build up your Crusade stacks, then consume the Empyrean proc to maximize damage and shorten your Crusade build-up.
However, if you are running Divine Purpose, the Empyrean Divine Storms used DO have a chance to proc Divine Purpose.
Hope this helps!
Oh ur right i think
Gave this build a try in Arena last night, can confirm it actually felt great. Was pulling around 11-13k dps sustained with decent uptime and periods of 20k+ dps with Crusader up.
The build:
Traits:
1 Empryial Power, 1 Lights Decree, 1 Expuragation
Talents:
Zeal, Blades of Wrath, Fist of Justice, wake of Ashes, Selfless Healer, Crusade
So because they buffed our sustained dps everything is supposed to be kosher now? Sorry to rain on your parade but RET was never designed to be a sustained dps class in pvp, the class is mechanically designed to excel in burst and support roles.
So now that the dps is evened out over time we are supposed to be a rot comp now? Or we are supposed to play teams into dampening? I just don’t see how RET could possibly excel at any role with this current build, it seems to lack any finisher potential that made it viable in the first place, so now we have no niche. There are plenty of classes that can do the same sustained dps but with much higher mobility, utility, and burst, cough DH.
I’m glad that you guys found a way to continue playing RET for now, and I appreciate the positivity, but lets please stop acting like RET is any better now in 8.1 pvp than it was before. I see youre getting by on scraps now, but lets not forget that the devs screwed a lot of people over with these last minute “adjustments” and we are still bottom tier when it comes to arenas.
Ret is a lot better with the TV buff. Try it out if you don’t believe it.
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Any thoughts on why people are leaning towards Zeal rather than Righteous Verdict? Since the TV nerf was reverted, wouldn’t extra damage on your next TV be better. IIRC, RV is 10% bonus damage on TV in PVP (15% PVE), which would be more incremental damage than the holy damage from Zeal, wouldn’t it?
Regarding Expurgation, wouldn’t AW be better than Crusade since it grants crit, rather than the haste provided by Crusade?
The change that hurts me the most is WOG being absolutely gutted. I think the changes to ES, WOA, and AM trait are very disappointing, but WOG nerf kicked me right in the junk.
RV is good if you have a lot of haste and you can stick on a target. Otherwise the buff falls off and the talent is useless.
As negative as I was towards the patch, ultimate retribution having it’s cool down based on who dropped rather than it’s CD attached to you, and reverting the TV/DS nerds makes ret pvp feel much better. Wog nerf sucks, but a selfless healer FoL buffed by wings hits pretty hard, and it’s nice not hitting like a wet noodle outside of wings.
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