Ret nerfs in pvp in 8.1

Classes Paladin
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I just checked out the patch notes for 8.1 and rets are getting nerfed imo quite harshly. See below. I find the ES, WoA and WoG nerfs to be way too high. I wuld argue that the WoA nerf is just unnecessary, period. The ES nerf kinda trashes our burst ability and the WoG just makes us less durable. Im a bit confused with this tbh.

  • Execution Sentence damage reduced by 25% when engaged in combat with enemy players.
  • ​Wake of Ashes damage reduced by 25% when engaged in combat with enemy players.
  • Word of Glory healing reduced by 40% when engaged in combat with enemy players (was 20%).
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Honestly… I’m just playing prot from now on. Hard to die, decent burst when needed, most games as prot i do more healing than our actual healer. Sick of playing ret and just getting kited all game and now our only burst is taken away?
Avengers might is what needed the nerf, nothing else. Blitz don’t even play their own game.

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I don’t see these changes anywhere.

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Here is the link. Its under PVP

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Honestly our damage is rather high in pvp, but I feel that not getting some kind of mobility buff to compensate for this will just make pvp as ret harder than it needs to be.

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Wowhead needs to step up their game then. I feel like those changes are to try to encourage using other talents instead. For instance selfless healer, and the fact that flash of light heals more in 8.1. It seems like they are tired of the burst build (and trust me it’s annoying getting stunned and just bursted to all hell with little counterplay), but idk if this is the right way to go about it.

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Yikes, seems kinda heavy handed, especially with no compensation either. I would of much rather have seen nerfs to Avenger’s Might x3 stacking than this. Zzz.

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What? A ret Paladin could kill a druid? SOMEONE STOP THE PRESSES SHIZZ IS GOIN’ DOWN.

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The nerfs to ES and WoA were kinda needed, since with the right gear/build, you could actually just 2shot people from full HP. Healthy change.

Now, with the increase of stats from gear (specifically STR, Mastery, and Vers), we’ll have to see if those nerfs were more so to keep it from getting way out of hand to keep the damage similar to how it is now, or lowered. It’ll probably end up being a build later on in the season after people get gear, but might have to require people to be at 50%-80% to kill them in the 2-4 globals in the burst window instead of from full health if they don’t pop a defensive.

Either way, the ES/Inq/3xAM trait build isn’t the only viable build, with the addition of these new traits (including fixing DP and buffing DS), a more AE style build might make rets more viable in RBGs for team fighting if the meta stays decently melee heavy and not have people rely on getting kills/forcing defensive CDs every 2 minutes (1 minute if you pick HoR honor talent).

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I’m going to disagree with that. The situation you are talking about only happens with 3x AoM, and against lower geared enemies.

That means that people who want to do ES / WoA (without AoM) are screwed. That clearly means this is NOT a healthy change.

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This games becomes more and more trash every patch.

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Paladins are just so strong in PvP right now right guys?

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Yes i agree

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I’ve been monitoring the patches as they’ve come and they definitely just snuck this garbage in. This is totally unreasonable. Ret Paladins have a burst window every one minute if they spec into Hammer of Reckoning and 9 times out of 10 it gets totally prevented by cc or defensives. But then again, every now and then a team with a Ret Paladin on it would win a game… so I guess that was just way too strong.

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I appreciate the sarcasm :slight_smile:

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I’m done with Ret pvp. They nerf Ret, but don’t nerf mages,DH,rogue’s or Warrior’s. Ret was mid tier, but now we’re garbage tier.

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Yes that is the situation I was presenting, but no it doesn’t require 3xAM. I only run 2xAM and 1 Battlefield Precision and it happens fairly frequently, just have to play around defensive CDs and force them through CC chains and doing burst every other minute.

Especially if you’re talking about casual BGs. Inq+Wings+Zerker+Saltwater+Battle Potion of STR+(Dark Archangel if you’re running with a disc priest) pretty much anything dies unless its a Guardian Druid if they don’t have a defensive. Even then it’ll kill through most defensives, and that’s with only 2xAM traits that I run with.

But like I said, the ES/Inq/3xAM is by no means mandatory nor is it the only way to build your character. There are several high rated rets in 3s and RBGs (for both NA and EU) that only have 1, 2, or zero AM traits. Especially with the buffs to DS, I’d imagine that new DS trait will be at least wanted a 1 of for rets who are brought to team fight and Light’s Decree will be at least a 1 of. So if there’s a new 1 shot setup, I’d imagine it’d be 2xAM and 1xLight’s Decree.

Also low gear doesn’t matter, you do know about the dmg scaling in PvP system, right?

You say that like it’s a bad thing that a team pops a defensive on HoR. If they’re using a defensive on a 6 second burst window, then that means it’s going to be way easier for your actual Avenging Wrath or killing someone else.

Pretty huge nerf to Frost Mage slows and comet storm dmg.
DH dmg out of Meta is reduced, Eye Beam dmg is reduced with removal of a trait.

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Godammit, Zenal. Whos side r u on? :))) jk

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You clearly misunderstood me. If you want me to explain it in more detail for you I can, just tell me and I’ll elaborate. Why would it be a bad thing that someone uses a Defensive for your Hammer of Reckoning?

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Will WoG be worth talenting into after the 40% reduction nerf? It has seemed “nice-ish” to have, but I didn’t find it amazing for BGs… (I don’t play arena/rated)

Also, what do you think of the:

  • New Talent: Ultimate Retribution - When an ally within 40 yards falls below 25% health, you gain Avenging Wrath for 6 seconds. When an ally is slain within 40 yards of you, your Redemption spell can now be cast while in combat within the next 20 seconds, with a 6 second cast time. Using Divine Shield or Blessing of Protection on yourself will cancel this effect.

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