Both damage and healing of Ret needs to be nerfed by 40-50%. Right now it’s not a real spec. You can’t both have disgusting burst and infinite self sustain. That’s not how it works.
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0/10 on the troll scale
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They get 15k crits from their heals and their dmg… The lack of tuning is already making me hate this xpac.
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So they are as strong as DK’s are? Tough when youre no longer the apex predator
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Ret is obviously overtuned right now, but lets not single out just ret. I don’t wanna be the only spec getting hit with the bat while sub/marks/arms/feral exist. Thanks.
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I’m sorry but he’s right, it’s disgusting how much burst potential a ret has, and all they need is one burst window to shut 3-4 people down. In a bg setting of course.
Meanwhile …
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxZWTUqbk6Y
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40-50% is excessive.
20% ya maybe. But it’s not like there aren’t worse offenders. Just because you’re losing to a ret because you don’t understand how to press defensives doesn’t mean it’s the most op spec rn.
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funny, i could say the same with sub, marks, all priest, and fury warriors self healing.
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Don’t forget shaman self healing with kyrian totem.
oh man totally forgot about that. its absolutely insane. shaman’s self healing is absurd and needs to be nerfed into the ground.
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Ret doesn’t need nerfs. It has the most limited uptime of any melee. It has to be able to do big damage quick when it has no mobility. Also it’s a hybrid and should outheal locks and sub rogues at the cost of resources.
Also shamans should actually heal for more. They go oom after 4 healing surges. This is a fact. They don’t have the mobility that sub rogues and DKs have, or the control locks have and have 1 defensive. No other class has only one defensive.
All these people asking for nerfs go replay BFA where you had a deep dampining meta. That time is over. PvP having this type of healing and damage is good for the game and already more comps are viable, more people coming back to PvP, and more fun.
If you can’t beat a ret or a Enh, then it’s a learn to play issue. I’m not sorry you can’t PvE in someone’s face anymore because we aren’t in a deep dampining meta and more classes got the buffs needed to be viable.
Everyone asking for nerfs is just asking for watered down PvP. Nerfs rets damage? Instantly no longer viable. Why? They don’t have the mobility to stay on a target to rot people down. Nerf Shaman healing? Instantly not viable. Why? They don’t have the defensives to be able to last in deep dampining meta.
You should get punished if you make a mistake. You should get punished for bad positioning. Stop calling for nerfs. Learn to play.
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It’s really cool being a week in and having a DK, of all things, calling for the gutting of a whole spec because he can’t target dummy a ret pally. The absolute mad lad.
Ret is currently completely fine in both aspects of the game, but for some reason people seem to want to see it gutted and unplayable in every facet of the game. It’s not like Blizzard can distinguish PvP balance from PvE either, so any change would probably negatively impact the whole spec in both departments.
Its not like I enjoy PvP that much, but I do like to dabble, if some other people crying about no mobility ret and it’s predictable dps burst windows ends up gutting everything about the spec because you can’t just afk auto a ret to death? I would be pretty tilted.
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Good players know how to shut rets down. Yes they have burst, yes their word of glory heals a lot…but that’s usually ONLY the case when they have wings up. You know, the big glowing things on their back that says, “Slow me, fear me, stun me, use your DR, kite me.” They have a burst window you need to learn to manage and are also the least-mobile class in the game, and have to sacrifice large amounts of damage to use WoG. They might need tuning, but crying for 50% shows you either don’t know how to fight them or you don’t know how to math.
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People are used to Ret being an easy kill, so they get mad when we aren’t.
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Damage and healing in general this expansion feels high, and I’m pretty sure time to kill is the lowest it’s been since wotlk. There are definite adjustments that need to be made, for everyone, to be sure.
Since hitting 60, I’ve seen fire mages delete people in dragon’s breath daze, Sub rogues kill 40k health tanks in a cheap shot stun, MM hunters ping aimed shots for nearly half of someones health bar, and windwalkers rising sun kick for 7-8k.
For the most part we’re not damage sponges like we have been for the last 8-10 years and so for any healing to feel meaningful (especially with MS being back up to 50% again iirc) it’s going to look overpowered by comparison to what things were like before. it’s something people are going to have to get used to again.
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Healing Hands already nerfed in pvp to 70%. Thanks for listening to this guy Blizz. Top Tier
Sure if you want to also give major nurfs to every single other class in the game.
Without the healing Ret had it’s a useless spec considering how much damage they take. Everyone has one shot builds and as far as I know all of the hybrids have strong healing right now.
As for damage, every class has a spec/build they can do the same as Ret. I have a feeling with more gear the classes the strong constant pressure like Warriors will be the top dogs in Arena and PvP with healers involved. Ret has they moments of burst, and then fall off and do little damage.
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I just wanted to say I really like this response. You explain your point without being rude to the OP and you even take the time to go into some detail to explain your POV.
I always see really negative responses and posts to such topics. It’s nice to see something like this. Your post has also helped me understand a few classes better with regards to PVP so thank you!
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They don’t have infinite self sustain. Its pretty easy to force a pally to burn the CD’s and burst them down. I’ll tell you what though, I’ll gladly give up what little burst I have if you convince blizzard to give me some mobility, because I’m tired of being kited to death in 99% of my pvp fights.
Why not go complain about Sub rogues and MM Hunters who have good mobility and are running around one shotting people instead?
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