Enhancement Shamans can use lust if they take the Shamanism pvp talent
Regular lust has been out of arena since Cataclysm. Bubble has existed this whole time and there have been many seasons where it was not problematic. Itâs everything on top of bubble/the other basic paladin buttons that makes it now problematic. Full value SoV and divine protection on such short cooldowns combined with the passive healing/absorb, 6s big flash, and the preexisting paladin kit allows you to cycle through on goâs without even needing to bubble. There have been seasons where you do drastically reduced damage and healing in bubble. Going back to that is something to look at, but still probably not enough.
Just let paladins be the FotM for once. They donât get it often
There is a difference in FotM and completely shuts down arena for everything else. FotM specs still have counters, and those counters benefit from higher prevalence of the thing they counter. 10.0.5 arms warrior and destruction warlock being great recent examples of this.
I mean, it sounds like basically you gotta learn to git gud and find a way to beat them. I feel you. It sucks.
rets are way too out of control with 2 walls bubble bops and 1 min wings. play ret or quit pvp is your options atm
the only way to beat them is that they mess up
make it the way it used to be. can only heal in a bubble and cant do damage
Whats the problem? Some has to be at the top. The âmetaâ is whatever is most popular so i guess rets the new meta?
Oh no?
If its not ret then its another class, either make one and be part of the top dps or play something that youd rather play for fun.
If the only way some people can have fun is being at the top of the charts so be it.
I wonât deny that ret is likely overpowered in PvP, but I just take issue with things like
As that runs the risk of hurting the PvE side of things to please the PvP side. So all I really ask for is we at least TRY and keep the fixes as things with no or at least minimum impact on PvE.
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Itâs highly improbable that theyâd just remove bubble. If you look at many other specs that get to use a high number of impactful talents/capstones, most of them have drastically reduced values in PvP (see rogue, arms warrior, havoc, etc.). We just arenât at the point with ret where enough things have been hit yet.
The effectiveness of lightâs celerity and aegis of protection would be great candidates for further tunes. Judgement of the pure could just be completely removed. Wings could be further reduced. Point being, leave the new stuff in place, just bring it in line with everything else. It will still have itâs same role and will still be significantly better off than 10.0.5 in terms of durability, just not on the absurd level it is now.
BoP can be purged by Priest, Shaman, Hunter, DH, Mage, and Warlock.
Blood Elves can also do it.
And HoJ can be cleansed
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Thatâs a solid idea.
Or they could bring back the damage reduction for bubble. Back in the day rets did 50%, I think not completely sure on the percentage, less damage during bubble. That would be a decent middle ground I think.
IMO the issue is being able to pop wings and bubble and do unhealable burst while also being immune.
Even in PVE, with rets having a wall+shield on low CD and lots of passive healing, the bubble is really not that necessary. I would also be fine with the bubble reducing damage done by 90%.
As long as it is PvP only, I am fine with it, but if your only fix is one that affects PvE also, you are a PvPinhead that deserves to get RETked
Besides, you did not adreess the other part, I.E. how PROT might use bubble in PvE, I.E> a debuff clear, a bubble taunt for M+, etc.
Why should PvE and other specs suffer because idiots canât see fixes that are targeted and go too broad?
This wonât be anywhere near enough but at least theyâre doing incremental changes.