Ret feels like its outclassed so hard by other dps. Need buffs

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Just kiss already you two.

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I’ll kiss his cold dead gnome body in game once it’s lying on the floor at my feet.

Then I’ll eat it.

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Stranger Danger

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We know your jokes are to hide the fear.

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A Warrior can put on a shield, mid-combat, and use damage mitigation abilities to tank for the group much more effectively than any other class. If a paladin’s DPS role is to be diminished because they can heal, a warrior’s DPS should also be diminished because they can prevent damage.

Both healing and damage prevention are two sides of the same coin… but I guess it’s less fun when we’re talking about warriors doing less damage, right?

Or… maybe we can just acknowledge through 20 years of experience that PvE, especially raiding, is about specialization. That those heal spells (and damage mitigation abilities) when not used in a specialized context, hold very little value.

However, if this is your bar I have a solution for you.

There, paladins can’t heal and dps at the same time. Problem solved.

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You sound like the kind of person that gets angry when your guild members say they probably aren’t raiding because they’re a meme spec.

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i dont even

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Go oom and die

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pvp with ret? uh no

never died to a ret in classic

not a joke

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This same logic dictates that since Warriors are hands down the best tanks in the game, even when not specced for it, they shouldn’t also be the best dps. Mages, Rogues, Warlocks and Hunters should all be above them on the totem pole by a pretty significant margin.

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This is what the game is, if you want balance changes go play sod

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TBC is a big time nerf to Paladin overall. While we cant compete with Rogues, Warriors, and Mages that’s ok because we’re easily the best class overall in PVP when we have a team play environment.

Paladin is sorta strange case of the class scaling based on those around you. The better they are the stronger you are as a result. This is not to say Paladin cant 1v1, we most definitely can but what we struggle with are countered by our pure class friends, and what we give them in trade is the capacity to stay on target, take less damage, remove harmful effects and provide them the kind of survival that they lack.

Perhaps this has already been said but most “Ret paladins” should just re-roll warriors and you would be far happier.

If I had my choice to play Paladin in TBC using the “Vanilla” paladin or the TBC paladin I would take the Vanilla paladin because its Better in nearly every situation excluding PVE DPS and PVE RAID tanking.

Excluding those two minor things The vanilla Paladin is better in every other aspect of play. Not even kidding I would even play Vanilla paladin in TBC arena if it were possible to, because its 8X better a class than TBC paladin. The paladin’s who play with me in vanilla understand this and they know why its so good.

Players who should re-roll warriors are those who don’t understand what the paladin is.

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Druids exist. Not only are they top tier in 1v1 against literally every class, but they are highly regarded in WSG and AB for their respective roles that they excel in, and arguably downright a necessity in the former.

Yes, we have a phrase for this, it’s called “being carried”.

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This seems like something people say because paladin is playable in group PvP and basically an auto-HK solo, but paladins are not more powerful than any other class in group pvp.

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you know how classic was going to be before u played it

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A naxx geared holy paladin can cast flash of light literally forever with just wisdom on. They can basically do that by the end of BWL with raid buffs. Their throughput is off the charts.

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With 5/5 Illumination, Paladins have a 100% chance to get the base Mana cost of Flash of Light, Holy Light, or Holy Shock back on a crit.

Paladins don’t have talents that increase the benefits of spirit for mana regen.

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Garbage post, just because someone does 5-10% less damage than pure dps doesn’t mean it’s useless, Druids aren’t top dps either yet there was a case where 40 Druids beat onyxia.

Ret can do fine damage on top of great utility , yes a holy paladin brings the same buffs , but healers are always more useful in raids anyways

I have yet to see a raid that can’t be done just because someone does abit less damage than someone else unless it’s a World first type of guild where they need to min max every raid slot

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Yep.

10char

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If you want to do damage in vanilla wow pick a class that does damage