A little context. Is 7200 hp low for a BG? Sure. Tier 2 + 2.5 is the best gear for damage on warrior. I have a bunch of t3 but its useless outside of undead areas because the bonuses do basically nothing. The t3 2pc is a large downgrade from prior 4pcs and the t3 4pc reducing BT/MS cd is effectively 0 dps gain. Sim fury and you lose 0 dps removing it, and as Arms Mortal Strike will overlap with slam so it effectively adds 0 mortal strikes. But I have both Naxx rings, MoM, basically BiS outside of a cloak for non-undead damage and PVP at the expense of some HP. Should I have a little fun knocking ppl down with MoM in battlegrounds? Lets see.
Paladin X I attack in a team fight. My bloodthirst hits for 380 then MoM autos him for 390. Got a slam crit close to 1k. Pretty meh, it will take a while to kill anyone at this rate.
Later on, I see him between nodes, I go for the 1v1. He repentences. Im not in zerker but its not too bad because if I was he’d HoJ me and do 10% more damage. Walks up to me… and then within the time of a single auto attack… he literally one shots 7200 hp. Then throughout the game, similar things. Sometimes its 2 shot. Sometimes 3 if nothing crits. Sometimes 1 shot. If I try to enter a team fight and use Badge of the Swamguard with MoM passive aoe will kill me before 3 swings go off. Not much fun.
But I lost 7200 hp to a single blow. Why bother trying to go full stamina to gimp my already abysmal damage even more if it will, at best, let me survive two hits instead of one?
Like… I get it… Aggrend the senior game producer mains Ret paladin according to his twitter and he hates the warriors class. But isn’t this a bit much? Like why do Rets do more damage in raid, and then like 5x or more the dps outside of raid?
They either sit in bubble and still kill you because even at 50% debuff they still more than double your dps (as a warrior). They hoj you and kill you before hoj is half over. Or they repentance you and then do 75-100% of your hp in the first swing.
Going to depend on what class you are and if you can recover from the hit, the Thorns is just for a laugh. Those Paladins tend to be extremely squishy outside of a bubble… I just get them to bubble then run to heal + reset the fight.
I acknowledged I could give up 50%+ of my already terrible damage (less than 1/3rd of any other class despite bis dps gear) to get some more HP. But it wouldnt matter. Instead of living 0 seconds I might live 1.5 or 3.0. In that time I will never get him past 75%, often not past 90%. Its completely and utterly pointless. Im lucky to do 1000 dmg with the best possible dmg gear in the time he can do over 7000. And this rate will continue well beyond my HP reaching 0.
Would have uninstalled a long time ago but for the fact my 4+ year classic guild is currently chilling in SoD because cata time commitment is too much. Vanilla to WotLK was great. SoD… not so much.
please consider giving the battleground stam buff to all open world content at lvl 60 for more fair wpvp. don’t think anyone is doing world bosses besides thunderaan anyways.
again people with their dog takes. but expecting anything else from people at this point is kind of impossible because according to those killshot spamming huntards, shamans and balance druids are fine
Because paladin is the wheelchair class ? Burst at melee* as melee You get instant delete just by running to ranged baclkine while getting 800 debuff and flame shocks per second without a healer.
You’re mad because paladin finally can do something in bgs vs shamans.
Speaking about burst. Hunters and boomies burst from max Range ingame, what about them???
This is another horde thread crying because You Lost a 1 vs 1? The horde is still winning like 90% AV.
In AB You can have 10 paladins and they Will still loose to only 1 shaman tank, so, stay in silence please.
And this gameplay is old from paladins, recoking has being a thing since vallina, i mean that 1 global burst strat. Right now is different because we have 2 good seals for twist and we don’t need to wait for being critically hit for doing something.
That guy literally spent the first 6 phases of SoD complaining about how OP shamans are and refused to admit that anyone could beat any shaman ever. So I wouldn’t really take anything he says to heart. And his vids are what they are. He says one thing, then shows something completely different on video.
I watch his streams cuz really who else streams SoD? Plus we had a great time at Gurubashi arena the other day. I was the only mage out there dueling 100 rets. lol
Lost to a hunter in the tourny that obviously won simply cuz of kill shot spam.
Deep down he knows how OP paladins burst is.
I’m not mad dumbass, look at my post history I have said Rets are fine leave them alone. Just buff everyone else to their level. Stop being butthurt by phase 2-4 shamans.
Ret Paladins are a special kind of dumb, I’m not sure how to explain it. Peak into the SOD Paladin PVP discord channel and you’ll know what I mean. Half of the discussion are about them globalling people in PVP but in the same breath complaining that they need buffs because they don’t want to respec Shockadin to counter shamans kek. I saw a post earlier saying that you can counter rets by slowly walking away in the other direction. Truly the most wheelchair class
First off, I answered your question about your HP value. PVP is bursty, get into a pre-made, make some friends, and get a healer behind you.
Play GladChad warrior in BGs and never die and hold flags. PTFO is the mentality you should switch to for your class.
I’m only offering you solutions to the problem that we as players can control. The devs need to address/adjust damage values for pvp. I can not do that.
while the CC and shield can help with melee, casters still gib you because they get 100% armor pen at all times and they never made armor have at least some effect on spell dmg.
Warrior is entirely neglected. No fast way to apply sunders (but rogues and spriests can lol). Heavily impacted by armor. Already starting at the bottom of damage even if a target has no armor. Squishy. Cant heal players, dispel, etc.
You basically exist to provide battle shout to real classes.
takes. but expecting anything else from people at this point is kind of impossible because according to those killshot spamming huntards, shamans and balance druids are fine