This is part of the problem with Rets atm. They just rush in pop all CDs and if things look shady they just pop bubble.
Make it so they do reduced dmg during their bubble. This way they have to actually think about how/when to use CDs.
I believe this is how Rets bubble worked in the past. Why was it changed?
This is a good point in general.
I’m not complaining about ret damage or anything but in genuinely curious as to why the change from dealing 50% reduced damage during bubble was made?
Because Ret was trash without it. Now they gave ret mega boost, but bad sustain compared to decent sustain, lil boost.
I think this is an issue with a lot of classes as a whole, high burst with low sustain.
Lower burst, increase sustained, raise dampening. Prob solved
What do you think about the current amount of cc?
Ret wings and bubble were changed because in the past it was possible to have the whole CD either wasted in c.c. or stolen with brain dead spell steal from mage.
In MOP a lock/mage/ druid could lay down a 120 second c.c. chain, rmx and godcomp and lock sham druid were similar. This isn’t the case today.
It’s a good point about bubble and damage, its miserable to deal with however casters aren’t getting weaker. On beta with full gear they dominated. So I don’t expect it to go anywhere however I would rather see the spec get another defensive or utility ability to remove the perceived need for being able to do full dmg whilst immune to everything.
Thats a reasonable suggestion, ret is very squishy in the right circumstances but when taken in the consideration of 3s it would be very easy to become overpowered.
Thanks, I played the spec for years and got away from it when they put combo points on it and full damage bubble. Felt like a training wheels class, when I played it through B.C. and Wrath you actually had to be good to get the most out of it.I’d rather see the spec return to that.
If a ret comes in…
Immediately pops all their cooldowns, and then bubbles, I know I just won the game.
They all in offensively and defensively, your team can then pretty much all in defensively (or use “insert number of defensives here” to survive it. Then their bubble fades and you delete the ret who just lost their only CD that will let them survive to their next burst window.
I think ret back then felt a little undertuned at some points but also OP at others. Ret has always been a challenging spec to balance.
You’re certainly not wrong there but if this happens I’m glad to see it as well.
Tbh it really doesnt matter, triangle formation will be the only thing ppl run into again soon enough and melee cleaves will be long forgotten untill the first season of next xpac like normal.
^ That. And then the dumb classic characters will also complain. Just spam report everytime you see a classic character post imo.
Soon every post will be from a classic toon because TBC will take over 
I agree casters will prob take over s2. They already are starting to take over but retail will be dead.
Essentially glass cannons. ww monks are a good example of a class with high burst low sustain. I ask myself the same question why we dont have 50% dmg reduction in bubble. But most rets use bubble defensively anyways. So more likely than not, it’s not really a huge issue. Unless you come across the 2iq ret paladin that uses their biggest defensive offensively.
I can’t even remember the last time I saw someone do that so you’re right that it’s not a huge issue.
I wonder if there would ever be a situation that it would be the right play to use bubble offensively?
Its like using a trinket offensively.
It is almost always the wrong choice, but very rarely, you want to use it if you are 100% sure you are going to get the kill…
Cause if you dont, you lose.
Yeah for sure, it is a high risk high reward play if you were to make it.
Lets be real about something here… Ret Paladin’s aren’t OP and don’t even do that great of damage outside of wings. The only thing OP about Ret is Divine Toll… it does too much crazy burst damage.
Divine Toll (ringing clarity conduit) is what’s broken. You remove that one ability from a Ret and they aren’t that great. (I don’t see people complaining about a Night Fae Ret Paladin for example)
Ret’s can be controlled easily during their burst (with their CC ME Wings). Their only survivability (WoG) gets worse as dampening ramps up. Ret Paladins are one of the easiest classes in the game to shut down.
You all need to stop complaining about non issues. The Bubble isn’t the problem… Divine Toll is. (more specifically Ringing Clarity)