That’s not what I am arguing dude.
No matter what they do, they will further whine for more changes
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Not really.
Not at all i don’t enjoy premading vs pugs.
The best way to solve it is to remove solo que completely. Make it where you have to have 10 in your raid to que, or you don’t get to que. Then it’s 10 vs 10 in every game.
Think about it. You’d never hear another complaint about afks or bots in a battleground again.
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Yes, if players don’t want to play that way, they shouldn’t be forced to play that way. I would go a step further and say most players don’t want to play in five-man parties either. Solo queuing is the most popular, so if we’re going to let the majority play how they want to play without being sacrificed by trying to engineer a play style the designers wish people would care about, then the solo queue is the way to go.
The truth of the matter is that five-man parties will roflstomp randomly put together people just the same. SoD is highly unbalanced and that’s the nature of the beast – so stacking classes is entirely effective. That’s perfectly fine. But you need to adjust for this by not throwing solo players under the bus. Just let them queue together.
Other players do not have a right to solo pug players. Let them play their own way.
With a 5man restriced queue, premades can still exist, solos can still exist, will it always be balanced? no, will it be more often than what is current? yes.
It’s not an easy fix and i feel for blizzard on how many differing opinions they have to cater to
Dude, why do you avoid answering me. Is your toon level same as your age? I remember when you were 14. Now you are 16. Did you skip 15? Do you grow up 2 years every year ?
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Well I still view that as throwing solo queuers under the bus. Nobody has a right to solo pug players. Let them play amongst themselves.
If the result is that nobody plays in 5 or 10 mans or whatever, then it just illustrates nobody wanted to in the first place. Blizzard will have to incentivize it without sacrificing a segment of the player community.
Ya ppl acting like this is rocket science. If premades want to premade let them have fair competition and fight other premades. You guys act like we should give a crap about players trying to abuse premades to smash pugs. Just let the solo Que players play with other solo players. Grab a glass and drink the tears of the clowns that like 10 stack and smash pugs into a GY.
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I dont think anyone here is in favour of premades vs pugs
Splitting queues like that means longer queue times and another demographic that is left out, those that have 2-3-4 friends they’d like to queue with go where?
It’s better for players to have longer queues than to throw an entire segment of the player base under the bus and have them get steamrolled non-stop instead of being able to just play each other.
Is Blizzard wants people to queue for premades, they should offer incentives for them to do that. And that incentive shouldn’t come at the sacrifice of other players.
I agree with this,
Though i don’t beleive solos will get steamrolled going up against 5man like they do now against 10mans.
Worst case with 5man restricted groups is 2x5man premades matched against a couple duos and solos, this would still result in a closer match up than what we get now.
A solo player can add a lot to a mixed team of 5man, trios, duos if they are themselves a decent player and compete well against any other combination of groups they match against.
The only incentive that will work is gear. Titles, cosmetics, mounts have never been things of consequence that motivated players to go for them. Let’s be real.
Rank 12-14 gear is on par with bwl & a good portion of select aq40 pieces. The only way you’ll incentivize players into jumping on board with premade vs premade matching (effectively rbg’s) is to offer them gear that is better than current r14 gear, which would in effect have to make it better than naxx gear. That is a change you absolutely would not want.
Anything less is a side grade and you wouldn’t see participation there at all. No participation in premade vs premade q’s doesn’t mean premades go away. It just means they’ll circumvent the system with countdown q-ing and discord lobbies to do what they’ve always done historically.
There’s all sorts of other shortsightedness to this all that include bringing carries into the mix more than they will otherwise be. Exacerbate win trading more than it would otherwise be, etc. just to name a few.
Who are you?
Unfortunately, people aren’t really interested in participating in PvP.
The game’s already borked.
That couldn’t be further from the truth
WSG would be dead in less than 2 days, if all that exist are pre-mades, it’s not like they are going to fight each other.
Then explain the premade and afk crap with real logic. I’ll wait.
They already are, remember? “Every game is a premade” so they have to, under this claim
Pugs do it too. It isn’t an argument.
Do ALL pugs give up and throw? No, and neither do full teams.