Resto M+ No longer bottom tier?

I know we’re Just in the Prepatch and tweaks are still happening but even still, I gotta say that I’m a little pleasantly surprised that Shaman seems to be performing a little better in M+ according to warcraft logs. It’s ahead of MW right now which is bitter-sweet for me because I was planning on switching from Shaman to Monk for M+ healing.

Is anyone else pleasantly surprised? I’m not sure exactly what the cause is. Is it Earth Shield baseline? Is it the ENH rework bringing people back to Shaman as a class in general? What do you think?

From my experience in prepatch so far, rsham is way easier to heal M+ with than any other healer (and also does a ton of damage), but I think that’s just because of weird tuning from prepatch. I like the utility, but we’ll see what the numbers look like in SL. Going to be a different game entirely with the covenants, conduits, legendaries, etc.

Rsham might not be the meta, but its certainly well agreed upon that it will be in a better state than BFA or legion and S tier for first raid tier.

Not having to talent into Earth Shield is certainly part of it. Beefier Riptides are also helpful. But shamans were always fine at the 15+ range, where things actually matter.

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Not meta, but a ton better imo.

Baseline ES + beefy riptide were huge steps.

Do you have a link to show the data? I’m interested to know where enhance shamans stand. Many thanks!

I only heal weekly runs, but is Resto doing better relative DPS at 60 now?

To me, that always seemed like the biggest drawback.
It can pump heals, but the DPS difference between you and a druid was pretty large in BFA.

Feels good to crit a riptide on a low hp person for a bajillion rn tho.

What to do about poison and disease?

Riptide, EWT, SLT, CBT, essentially, heal.

It’s just good ol warcraft logs. Idk how to link something properly but this is the data I’m referring to.

www. warcraftlogs .com/zone/statistics/20#metric=playerscore&dataset=95&class=Healers

Resto used to be second last. Now we’re upgraded to third last lol. Its not top tier but at least it’s not bottom either.

Idk. This was a big deal for me too. I’m cautiously optimistic about the legendary that lets you fire off instant Chain heals and Chain Lightnings back and fourth and 3/4 covenant abilities have some aoe damage.

Rsham is currently A tier for M+ behind rdru and disc

S tier for raids

This leggo is kindof a meme and a noob trap, its not actually good unfortunately. Chain lightning does ridiculously low dmg if you wanted it for the dmg portion.

You could maybe play Elemental Equilibrium now that frost shock is baseline. You could buff your chain harvest or fae tranfusion and maybe a few lava bursts ever 30 secs. prob not a huge game changer but you’d get some extra dam out

Oh really? Wowhead has it as the BIS Resto legendary for m+ atm. Weird.

https:// www.wowhead. com/news=319002/best-legendaries-for-all-classes-in-raid-and-mythic-shadowlands-legendary-guide-

I’m a little confused by wowheads choices for rsham. They have Kyrian listed as best covenant when it’s literally dog tier.

Chains is ok but has a ton of drawbacks, and the mana tide one is considerably better. I used to play chains a lot but it very quickly became “meh” especially in situations where your team was not stacked, and then your leggo is legit just a waste of mana.

Overall none of the rsham leggos particularly excited me. I hope they add some more in as the expac goes on that are good.

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Without having done any testing, Earthen Harmony sounds decent for m+ to me. Maybe Jonats or Echoes of Great Sundering too. But yeah, I agree nothing really stands out to me as particularly interesting

Earthen Harmony is that the Earth shield one? Can confirm it is absolute trash with current tuning. It was not a noticeable difference in tank healing, and when looking at the breakdown was at most a 2-3% increase in healing

Resto shaman has been very strong in pre patch and beta since the buff to Riptide. That and the buff to Earth Shield granting 20% inc healing to the target makes tank healing super easy. Basically you rarely are casting in lower M+, just keep healing stream/riptide off cooldown and you are set.
In higher M+ you will be casting more in shadowlands, but the fun legendary that makes your chain lightning instant than your chain heal instant is great.

Honestly I love Rsham being strong, but riptide being 65% of my healing feels bad, would love to see them nerf riptide, bring back earthliving or make unleash baseline and make Echo of elements baseline.

My current healing breakdown doing 15s on the beta is:

Healing surge: 31%
Riptide: 25%
Healing wave: 10%
Healing rain: 7%
Cloudburst: 5%

Riptide should most definitely not be 65% of your healing, unless you’re doing really low keys where there’s no damage. Current tuning on riptide feels amazing please don’t ask for a nerf that has made rsham actually good in m+

Also this legendary is a noob trap it’s not actually good

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Whether it be a noob trap or not, it’s a fun legendary that is decent. Sure the Mana Tide legendary is prolly best.

Soooo…a spell that has pretty much no cool down(if you take echo) and is instant does 25% of your healing…okay. That’s not really a good feel to me. I would rather have my casted spells do more oomph and have other things back. But hey diff game play.

As I said in lower mythic plus you don’t have to cast.

Fair enough

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Every decent class has access to an instant no/low cooldown spell that does large portions of their healing. I understand if you want your casted heals to do big healing, however the fact that all restos healing has been through casts has been an incredibly big drawback of the spec in m+ for 4 years and is finally fixed.

Exactly so we shouldn’t be using percentages from low keys since they’re so trivial.

Do you even cast chain heal in mythic+ ? I ask because it seemed kinda crappy to me and I found myself not bothering.