Having the reshi wraps is one thing but putting boots inside the raid that empower the reshi wraps is simply unacceptable.
It forces players to raid mythic or be significantly behind in terms of player power progression.
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This is nothing new. In Season 1, all casters were required to get a Spymaster’s Web trinket in order to be competitive.
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And that felt very bad for people who dislike raiding.
Forcing people to raid when they don’t want to just causes the game to lose subs due to burn out and not enjoying their time on the game.
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So there shouldn’t be any bis items in raid at all?
I agree with you, 100%. But, it’s the cantrip that’s valuable - there’s not a massive difference between something like LFR boots vs Mythic boots. You’re probably looking at a <1-2% from stats. I’m just pointing out that this has sorta been a theme this expac.
All of the items in raid should be BiS for RAID ONLY.
all of the BiS items for mythic plus should be obtainable in mythic plus.
All of the BiS items for PvP should be obtainable in PvP.
I’m just so tired of my BiS items coming from the raid when I want to not raid.
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That’s the point. Someone who raids should have an advantage in M+, and someone who does M+ should have an advantage in raid. The content has an immense amount of crossover, and it should.
Agreed regarding PvP specifically though.
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no, incorrect.
mythic plus is an entirely separate pillar from raiding.
we have three pillars:
- mythic plus
- pvp
- raiding
pvp gear is entirely separate from raiding and mythic plus should also be entirely separate from raiding.
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Raiders that do M+ get a huge advantage in gearing, M+ players that raid get an advantage in later M+.
This is nothing new and not bound to change.
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this community is lame now, bunch of babies. in an mmorpg there should be incentive and benefits for participating in all major “pillar” content (in the case of wow - pvp, m+, keys)
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this should change 100%…
forcing players to engage with content they don’t enjoy causes burn out and unsubbing due to feeling unsatisfied with the game.
is wow a fun game? yes it is. i really enjoy playing mythic plus…
Putting the best mythic plus gear in the raid does not cause people to raid more, it causes mythic plus players to unsub.
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The boots shouldn’t exist in the first place all things considered. It’s incredibly stupid to have such a contested item for the entire group that everybody literally needs unless it drops as personal loot seeing as it’s considered “Bonus loot” and not “Very rare” in the PTR raid journal. It’s just going to cause major loot drama in 99% of guilds and you’re just going to be left praying you’re lucky enough to get it from your vault.
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You have 4 end games delves count too.
items that are this powerful should never be left to RNG.
if blizzard truly wants to add these boots to the game as an addition to the borrowed power system of 11.2, it should be obtainable through a questline same as the 11.1.7 delve belt.
i don’t want to spam raid LFR to get these boots, i don’t want to spam raid normal to get these boots, i dont want to spam raid heroic to get these boots and i certainly don’t want to raid mythic to get these boots.
even if i were a mythic raider, i would be forced to clear LFR, normal and heroic every single week until i got the boots because they are that powerful.
no one wants to sit there and spam clear lower difficulties for one over-tuned item.
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Only one I disagree with is PvP, since thats a whole different knowledge set.
But yeah, if you partake in all parts of PvE you should have advantage over the people playing just one.
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Whether anyone agrees with this or not, it definitely appears the devs agree with this.
I don’t agree with you on that. I think plenty of people would still raid, if only because I know raiders that avoid M+ like the plague past the first few weeks of raid (when they feel like they have to gear up in M+)
Now, would it reduce the interest? probably, but I think the devs interest is more that they see raiding as THE game. Everything else is extra.
Always has been.
Sounds like raiding is not for you, and you’re free to go play other games, but please don’t generalize it to everyone.
Most activities that you do with a group require scheduling, even hobby related ones. Want to play in a soccer team? You have to come to practice. Want to go to pottery class? You have to come at your scheduled time. Want to play D&D with your friends? Also needs a schedule.
And it’s a personal choice what group activities you want to do enough to commit to a schedules and which ones you don’t. For some people raiding is something they enjoy enough to commit to a schedule. And if your friends and family can’t understand you have a previous commitment for Tuesday night, even if it’s for a hobby, that’s their own problem.
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In a way, yes. If you want to play soccer on a team as a serious hobby, you can’t just show up for the local tournament games, you have to show up to practice, do drills, and all that stuff. That’s not playing soccer, that’s not the actual game, but you would need to do that.
There’s plenty of guilds that do casual raids and don’t require m+ participation. And I came back late to the season, only played m+ and never joined a raiding guild, you can just pug the raid.
You’re taking your preference and saying it’s everyone preferences. It’s not.
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I have to agree with this.
What is the end goal of this?
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