Reroll, Respec, or Unsub?

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I feel like a fool for only now realizing that Blizzard never had any intention all along of ever making feral competitive in m+. It’s obvious they just don’t want it to be used for keys.

So, now my dilemma is whether to acquiesce to this flawed design principle and main a different druid spec, change my main class entirely… or just unsub for good. I really like the notion of class fantasy; being able to pick the spec you love and not being penalized for your choice. However, Ion seems content on using punishment to influence player choice.

We see this in larger game design as well: go to this zone, do these quests, grind this currency, choose this covenant, this soulbind, these conduits, etc. WoW has essentially become a glorified themepark, a game on rails, where choice is an illusion. We are to play the game how Ion wants us to play it, and only how he wants us to play it. It feels like a betrayal of the very concept of an MMORPG.

But that’s not what WoW is. Yet another illusion. It’s actually just an MMOG. You are what Blizzard wants you to be. I’m just not sure I want to pay for that anymore. Anyways, just thought I’d make one final rant on the issue of feral in m+. Feel free to add it to the special filing cabinet.

/meow

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Tier set is their literal answer as to our lack of burst AoE in keys.

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Do people not read patch notes or check ptr forums? Jesus Christ.

This sounds like the cries of a spoiled child who’s upset about the colour of the wrapping paper, meanwhile you haven’t even opened the gift.

Or was this just some long goodbye post before you unsubscribe. If so…. No one cares.

Peace.

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Pawthetic smh

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Try the tier set before you believe what the youtubers who are only looking at patch notes and not actually playing the spec tell you. I’m not sure if the ptr is still out and letting you get the tier set, but try the tier set for yourself. It’s good. It’s really good. Even with the nerf.

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The PTR forums in which the first and last blue post was on Dec. 21st? Yep, we’ve been trying to point out that all the sim data shows they grossly overnerfed us. The patch notes in which they fixed a bug by dropping us back down to bottom tier again in m+? Yep, read that too.

It’s players like you who remain willfully ignorant and don’t care that feral has been mismanaged and underdeveloped for m+ since the advent of keys that this continues to transpire. Then again, I guess when you’re only doing +7s you don’t need to worry about these things.

If you actually bothered to read the PTR forums you directed me to, this post sums up the hundreds of other ones pretty well:

"I suppose you haven’t been on the PTR? The bug fixes are like a 50-65% nerf alone by removing the double dip of SR and triple dip of TF. Then on top of that, they nerfed it by an ADDITIONAL 65% flat.

So the nerf is not 65%, it’s significantly more and only partially (and I mean really partially) offset by mastery dynamic applying. They simply have no idea what they are doing.

For additional context, it is currently doing 35k damage in a 45 second window with optimal gear at 252 (tier set+second legendary of frenzyband at about 45% mastery, 42% crit). That is 6% in 45 seconds, so if you can do math you’ll find that’s about 2% in an actual encounter on ST. That is less than 2 bites worth of damage - how in the world could this go live?"

The point of the OP is that there’s no way Blizzard is this bad at math. Given their history of intentionally undertuning specs (e.g., 6.2 demo lock) they don’t want players to use for content, it is most reasonable to assume that’s what’s going on here, which is kind of the antithesis of the RPG in MMORPG.

Sure, they state in the patch notes they will make adjustments if needed, but they already know those adjustments are needed and they let it go live anyway. Given feral’s history of being bottom-tier literally every m+ season for 5+ years, we have no reason to believe anything will change. This is intentional, and I’ll trust the sim data, the spec history, and the assessment of the world’s #3 ranked feral over all of this other riffraff.

Enjoy your broken spec. I guess there’s still PvP… until they decide they don’t want it used for that either.

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It wasn’t meant to be focused on for ST encounters. Any help in that department is gladly welcomed, but that’s not what it’s focal point is. It’s there to support burst AoE, which has been Ferals weak point.

So that turns into 16 Bites going out on 8 targets, on top of your Bleeds already ticking away.

Feral has never had an issue with ST damage. This tier set isn’t meant to complement our ST damage, but help fix our shortcomings in AoE, which it will.

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The problem is that we no longer have our niche of at least being useful for ST on tyrannical weeks, and instead trade that for mediocre to below average overall dps. They nerfed us way more than they needed to.

Prior to the “bug fix” it was considered a real possibility that feral might actually be meta for the first time, but that wasn’t even a certainty because it’s not like it was blowing everything else away. Now, the spec gets double-nerfed completely out of contention, and back to the point of being inferior to better options, which is where it has been every season.

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You sound like one too.

Single target has never been ferals downfall, yet here you are crying about a much needed nerf to a broken set bonus that was never intended for ST, yet still complements it.

Tell me you don’t understand the class without telling you don’t understand the class.

Regardless. If you’re ready to throw in the towel over pure hyperbole and childish reasoning. Believe me when I say this……

NO ONE CARES!

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As I just explained above, we lose our ST niche and still don’t bring enough AoE or overall dps to justify inviting feral over better options.

Every season, every PTR, it’s the same. I come on these forums, point out all the problems with feral and why it’s going to suck in keys again, and every time, like clockwork, the rats come out of their holes. Not sure what’s worse, the silence from Blizzard, or the white knighting from people who have no idea what’s going on with the spec.

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Tell me you don’t know how to sim ptr without telling me you don’t know how to sim ptr.

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Did you role play like you did here? That likely had something to do with it.

Really hard to have adult conversations when being forced to read “/meow”.

Plus, nine times out of ten, these “sky is falling” posts always end up being wrong, and I always take great joy pointing them out Afterwards.

Looking forward to this one as well.

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How did we lose our niche?

It was going to get nerfed regardless. The way it was, was considerably broken. It was not in a “good spot” double dipping as it was.

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Wait, how are we LOSING our single target dps? Nothing is getting taken away from us. We are still shining in single target, we still have good funnel, we just have an aoe burst window now. I’m not trying to beat you down, I’ve been working towards 20’s this past season and have a goal of 3k for this season and would legit like to understand your thoughts on this because they don’t make sense with the data we actually have.

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Shards don’t work in ZM for RNG burst and other specs saw greater ST gains from tier set/double leggo. Fearls don’t gain as much as other specs, especially after the nerf.

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It was meant to add a bit of levity to the thread, but it obviously went over your head along with the numbers you probably didn’t look at.

See you next PTR.

Mediocre ST isn’t our niche.

We’re fine right now, but as soon as other classes get their tier sets we won’t be, as it currently stands.

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Well…… this is awkward.
Certainly wasn’t the case for bfa, or legion. Define “bottom teir”. Not meta? K.

Why do people make up lies to suit their false narrative when logs and statistics can easily be found?

Were you looking for a big Jerry Maguire moment as you unsubscribed?

“Who’s comming with me!?!”

Hard pass.

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Make up lies? How many ferals got the tormented hero title? Any comp can time a 20. It gets a little tougher in the 22 and beyond range. Unfortunately people who try to time 15-17s aren’t good enough at the game to realize that they don’t need meta and specifically avoid certain specs.

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I would at least wait until tuning passes heroic week before going nuts.

But if you want to focus on M+ at a high level you should have 2-3 good alts you’re comfortable on.

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What does tormented hero have to do with the last 5 years?

Class representation is a thing.

But sure…. You keep making excuses for yourself. Grab the goldfish on your way out, Jerry.