On the contrary, more toxicity will happen in pug., esp in M+.
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We definitely needed another one of these threads.
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Maybe those players who rely on addons to be able to participate should realise they are not actually good at the game and should learn to be better before going in to brick peoples keys?
Addons have gotten so advanced have we Hekili that tells you your DPS rotation while listening to voice commands about what enemy to interrupt or CC, about when to move, when to use defenses, when AOE is coming in so healers know when to pop CD’s, which frontal to avoid and which way to face enemies who have frontals.
I could literally stare at Hekili and press buttons exactly as it tells me while listening to WA’s and DBM tell me what else to do, switch of my brain and get 3K without even knowing how I got there or why I am pressing what buttons.
It’s gone way too far in terms of playing the game for you and players need to just get good. Hopefully this change will make it so a lot less players get 3K and mythic raid iLVL who don’t know what is going on, because I for one hate going into a key, seeing people with resilient 13s and pulling tank levels of damage.
Worse is what happened in my raid earlier. The second tank whined I was hitting too hard and pulling aggro, then flat out blamed me for wiping the group, only to further tell me to stop crying when I asked them to play better and use one of their multiple DK taunts. Only later to check the raid logs and see them pulling 200K DPS.
Yes, players can be THAT bad and blame someone else like they are doing absolutely nothing wrong. These players should never make it to the top echelon of keys and raids, they need to realise they are garbage before they get carried that far by addons and other players and learn to play better first.
And the character and mechanics purge will go some way to help with that.
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Sorry no. You have to learn to play the game yourself instead of an addon telling you what to do and holding your hand.
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I tend to believe the opposite. If they prune the abilities and adjust the combat people will be too busy trying to play their own character to worry about how someone else is playing their character. Everyone is going to make a mistake and be fallible. It will also separate those who want to play the game and give combat a try from those who simply want to listen to the add-on. People have been asking for a challenge for a while and now the challenge is going to be actually playing the game without driver assist.
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Sorry dumb question.
Will damage meters be removed as well?
Let us not pretend that toxicity didn’t exist before addons did, because it did.
I feel that the damage meter is both a very useful tool, and also a decent place for bad actors to emerge.
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Because there’s no toxicity on M+ isn’t it?
That is certainly an assertion.
And you think that’s going to get better without addons? Go ahead and cut out Discord or raid chat too. PUG the entire thing, turn off DPS and heal meters, and have no communication between tanks. Get back to me with how high you get with mythic+ and mythic raiding.
My guess is that you won’t get anywhere at all.
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heard details or an equivalent will be available. good thing honestly. nobody wants to drive a car without speedometer
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Tell that to the people in FFXIV. You can get lynched for suggesting meters.
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bah people still use third party ones and keep that on the low 
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There are too much toxicity currently. Without combat addon, more toxicity. Time to get invite will become much much much longer.
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agreed. I can’t see how higher level stuff wont need some kind of analysis tools. It only makes sense to me.
In some cases I feel we can not blame the tool because someone else doesn’t understand how to use it.
Do I trust myself with a table saw if I am not alone? No. It doesn’t mean that nobody should have table saws.
However, I do find that bottom tier use of this tool is more for belittlement or embellishment than for development.
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M+ sure become nightmare in midnight without help of combat addon. Currently, even with combat addon, miss interrupt is a norm. Too many player goto m+ know nth about the dungeon, don’t spend time to watch video, rely on combat addon to tell what to do. It increase the stress of healer to heal thru all avoidable damage. M+ will have lack healer as most dps don do the mechanic correctly even currently with the help of combat addon.
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and then, M+ will have to change too.
remove the timer of M+ is one of the best option. The push push push is really bad. Because of the timer, players don’t have time to listen for strategy. Actually, no communication in M+ currently.
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I agree with that.
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On the contrary, aside from those paying for carries, those getting friends or guildies to carry, or those listing their own keys and pugging 24/7 until they get high enough. I think all the addon dependant players will be bad enough that they won’t ever make it high enough in the first place.
Feel like the people who constantly use this word are the people who bring it on themselves. I’ve had like 2 annoying people in hundreds of keys from 2-16 over the past two seasons. Most keys that end, end with “gg” or “nt,” maybe some feedback and that’s about it