Remove world buffs from raids

It’s a terrible, annoying meta.

He’s right; most people don’t like world buffs. What people like is the result of world buffs. But the process is just tedious. And it trivializes already trivial content. Content that was never built and balanced for world buffs.

It would be a more authentic Vanilla experience to disable them in raids. And all that would do is eliminate something that everyone finds boring and annoying. Raids would get slightly harder. Yet 20 years ago scrubs did these raids without world buffs. But maybe we won’t see 30 warriors in every raid. That’s not a bad thing.

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I enjoy having world buffs, I think it’s quite fun.

I would agree that most people don’t like getting them, but in my personal experience everyone that I’ve been around has enjoyed having them. I can also agree that it trivializes the content, most of it is quite easy already.

It does make other avenues of play possible that likely wouldn’t be possible with out them, mostly speed clears. Bu I’m sure there are other fun and creative uses.

He isn’t right, he is making up information and polls that don’t exist and at best which would not represent the majority of players. Classic wow players have shown over and over they prefer raiding with buffs, and they have given this feedback to Blizzard. While he would like to ignore it, SOM gave WOW players the chance to play without world buffs, and it was rejected at every level, and where everyone left early.

As for what occurred in Vanilla, he has zero clue what people were doing 20 years ago, as he simply wasn’t there, and those of us who were experienced something far different then what he things occurred. Raids today are far more enjoyable than raids were in vanilla where you had to deal with a large percentage of players that simply brought little to raids. I would never want to go back to how vanilla raids were executed.

Either way, nobody forces people to raid with buffs, it’s a choice, and by the vast majority of raids don’t actually even require buffs. Especially on the ERA servers, where the only raids that you are likely finding people having world buffs is Naxx.

They think that removing the world buffs that they’re too lazy to get will somehow even the playing field which is just demonstrably not true. The people on top will either quit or remain on top, and the people below will remain there as well. Taking world buffs away from sweats won’t all of a sudden make you better at the game.

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Yeah because they don’t.

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i need that buff so the number on the 3rd party web site says I’m cool

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Without the buffs those same people would still be the cool people on that website. Taking away world buffs from sweats isn’t gonna help you press your buttons better :wink:

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Even with a 100 or 99 on that website you’ll never be cool based off that alone.

No one cares about WOW PVE leaderboards.

You won’t get money, fame, or egirls from that, so it’s pointless.

Yeah it’s cool to look at, but at the end of the day parsing is a meme. There’s so many ways to cheese it.

If WOW was competitive at all as a game it would have tournaments that actually pay money and a larger following when those tournaments are live.

No one hardly watches PVP tournaments and the only PVE thing anyone cares about in WOW is retail race to world first.

Bragging about parses in classic is like bragging about being the fastest adult on a child’s tricycle.

Literally no one cares.

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It isn’t pointless.

It’s a way to compare your skill against other people.

That’s the point of it.

Also, it’s a detailed way for you to figure out if you’re playing poorly or not, and you can use it to find out how to play better.

You’re the type of person who doesn’t want your KD ratio shown in FPS games.

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You don’t need to compare your skill against people in a non-competitve casual MMO.

That’s the point that you didn’t understand.

This game takes zero skill.

Whether you care about it or not is irrelevant.

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This game has stood the test of time because while it caters to casual players it can also cater to the most hardcore player… Games were made with this in mind back then and that’s why many of them still stand up played today.

Taking any gigantic aspect of the game out like this is asking them to redefine the game that so many like you and I played. I’m sorry but if you don’t want world buffs, then don’t get them, it’s simple as that.

Don’t try to redefine the game for someone that plays differently than you.

You can’t be hardcore in a game with zero challenge or skill requirement.

Again, you are trying to take parameters that you play in, and trying to push them onto other players. Yes, the game is ez, and you can go into MC/Ony right now without or world buffs, or you can go in with every consume in the game and every world buff, or you can go in with 1 or 2 world buffs, and so on and so forth… The reason the game still works is the choice is yours. You are advocating to take away player choice in a game where that matters quite a bit.

Think for a second before you type things like this.

shouldn’t need some elaborate parsing system to figure out if ur dealin good dmg or not :expressionless:

Frostfire is the type of guy to advocate for shutting down warcraft logs, when he could just choose to not be in a guild who logs… Again, there is always choice in this game, it’s up to you to decide. Don’t hate on players for choosing to play their way.

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Yes I’m advocating removing bad play styles that ruin the game for people who don’t want to do them.

Being forced to get world buffs for a group that wipes on the 1st boss because the leader thinks he’s “cool” is a bad player meta.

The devs are responsible for everything players do because they are gods in the game world they created.

If players are abusing something it’s the devs fault for not fixing it.

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This sounds like an extreme personal problem, to be honest with you. Sounds like you need to redefine who you play with instead of coming onto a public forum to complain about what makes vanilla wow, well, vanilla wow. It’s a bad take, and one that I hope blizzard takes no consideration in.