If players were able to run in a fresh BFD for example who have already downed certain bosses in a previous group, allowing for participation in all bosses w/o access to loot for bosses down previously - this would allow groups to be more inclusive with newer players. I know there are (+) and (-) to both systems. I believe this and/or the group making system in live would allow players of all skill levels to gain access to bfd more easily. - Adding an edit- this idea was thoughtful in effort, but does indeed - leave the door open for GDKP abuse.
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3 day lockout is fine
failing to kill all the bosses in a lockout is fine
groups falling apart because people cant handle any friction is fine
when you do succeed with a group and get loot youll be that much happier as a result
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This is retail mentality. LFR was invented to allow players of all skill levels to gain access to raids more easily.
Raiding is not a ‘right’ of all players. Clearing 7/7 BFD every 3 days is not something anyone is entitled to.
Join a guild, make yourself useful, get a solid spot in a raid group that clears 7/7 every three days… or join pugs full of randoms and roll the dice on whether or not the group will clear 7/7.
These are the two options available to you in SoD and that’s exactly how it should be. Community-driven content like raiding SHOULD be better when you do it with a community like a guild. Making BFD more casual-friendly and puggable just damages the community-driven aspect of SoD/Classic.
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I don’t have any problems in BFD personally tbh, I’ve ran 6 times and only had a partial completion once. I’m more responding to the complaints I’ve seen. I don’t see a strong reason YET why locking out players from a fresh run (still preventing loot on already downed bosses til reset) is not more inclusive. I mean honestly, I would simply prefer to have a better group building tool, but I think this system would help others more than myself.
Seems easily exploitable, especially now that many of us are getting multiple alts and have the instance down to sub 45min. Instead of doing an alt raid we could just run it again on our mains and sub in 2-3 alts at a time so there is no loot competition.
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That is a good point though I don’t gaf about someone gearing up an alt more easily. It does open the door for more gdkps though that I don’t like (i’m not against gdkps- i just don’t want guild members to double dip and sell runs) so ty.
Groups can be as inclusive as they want to be, or not.
BFD is plenty accessible, you don’t need players hand holding you to see it.
Allowing that would allow groups to sell runs for gear. This isn’t retail. I pray that the developers don’t implement this for the health of the game.
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An EZ raid with 3 day lockouts… And people want it even more accessible…
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Seriously. Players today just want things given to them without the slightest amount of effort.
Are you referring to me? I don’t disagree w/ your statement- but it’s not really what I was talking about.
They want it with raid finder, they want it with personal loot., They want locks removed, they want GDKP banned…
These poor sweet summer children…
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doubtful any of them are children. Manchildren more like it
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They want Blizzard to run to them every time they cut a tooth…
When you play a video game, for example Dark Souls, and you can’t beat a boss, what do you do? Keep trying until you gain the skill and/or gear required to beat that boss. The same applies to WoW. If you’re a new player and don’t have the skill required to beat a boss it shouldn’t be given to you by a carry you bought for gold.
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If this was the case, half of every server would be fully raid geared.
That is good man, I agree. Though I don’t think you’ve ready any comments following the post it seems. I don’t have any problems with BFD, in-fact other than hammer-fisted comments supplied by you, you haven’t offered any actual counter points. Though, a good one early on was supplied which has changed my mind already. I don’t have any issues with BFD or skill issues - BFD is rather easy IMHO. I was thinking of complaints I’ve read on the forums struggling to get into content who are struggling to get into groups to begin learning. I think sometimes we take for granted that we have base-line intuition at gaming. Have you ever played w/ your girlfriend and had to restrain yourself from getting frustrated that she can’t even steer her camera let alone run in a straight line? Anyways, my goal was only to lubricate the group forming ability for people - allow groups to be less concerned of perfectly min/maxing the group out of fear of not completing in a pug, not for my sake, but just in general. Again, my mind has already been changed given the gdkp potential of such a thing.
Being more inclusive isn’t fundamentally always a positive thing. Sometimes exclusivity is better.
I did notice that, especially in the first few days - week or so, a lot of people seemed confused as to how raid lockouts work, and also by the 3-day reset. That has largely stopped being a point of confusion, at least in my circles.
Yes, of course there are many ways to provide access more easily, but that doesn’t really seem to be the design intent for SoD. It’s not a Season of Easy Access, but rather one of Discovery.
Horrible Idea. That will make raid boost selling way way worse. No lD means they can sell that crap 24/7.